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Post by tErI-yAkI on Feb 22, 2009 15:13:38 GMT 8
Hi bros,
How to mod a cerato to 300bhp?
Able to list down all the job required? And which workshop can do that?
Thanks for sharing, if possible.
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Post by subzero on Feb 22, 2009 15:18:53 GMT 8
Only way to achieve that is by going FI with strengthened internals.. Or drop-in a 4G63T and start from there..
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Post by tErI-yAkI on Feb 22, 2009 15:22:51 GMT 8
4G63T... Hmm.. I know Proton did that.. Shiok.
But I am looking for a total full mod. Every aspect also customised for racing purpose.
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Post by psyfool7 on Feb 22, 2009 16:19:18 GMT 8
U gave up on selling now want to go all out to soup it up??..Keke...300bhp?..Tink if can get ard 200bhp good enuff oready..
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Post by haroldz123 on Feb 22, 2009 19:25:54 GMT 8
y 300bhp?
r u join some racing team?
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Post by DGray on Feb 22, 2009 21:52:09 GMT 8
I tink teri gave up to sell his car so now wanna soup up to the max already.
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Post by tErI-yAkI on Feb 22, 2009 23:58:56 GMT 8
No lar bro.. I only wonder if a cerato can full mod.. coz these few days i was watching youtube.. then realised that cars like Proton, GTTR, etc can be damn fast..
So just comtemplating if cerato can do the same?
of course, i mean, we can all try fantasize in this thread.... lol
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Post by psyfool7 on Feb 23, 2009 1:41:22 GMT 8
U can soup up any car to 300bhp or more...even a Chery QQ..juz try to squeeze in a GTR engine inside, sure can one...provided can squeeze in of coz...keke..Tink if u want such high bhp, the only way is to hav an engine transplant then further soup it up...don't tink u can do it wif the current engine....BHP is juz raw power...the car itself need to be furter modified for the car to be practical..if not, it's juz like an uncontrollable mad-cow diseased bull....
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Post by addie on Feb 23, 2009 10:14:04 GMT 8
just go jb n dump-in an evo engine. our engine bay big enuf.....
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Post by LMF on Feb 23, 2009 10:16:05 GMT 8
Yeh my fren driving a Lancer 1.8 TC intends to do so, heard its not very exp also...
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Post by BluePicanto on Feb 23, 2009 21:39:30 GMT 8
Dun think V1 can fit in evo engine unless u modify the engine mounting. But it's not very safe to do so. To achieve 300hp out fr the stock engine is a mission impossible. Unless u'r gg to TC it. But dun think can squeeze out so much power as the stock is only slightly abv 100. To withstand such a high power, ur engine muz really strong enough to hold it. Aft all, even if u get those power, oso make sure ur braking system is able to stop tis beast. If u really urge for a high power car, may b can consider a 2nd hand rex or evo. It's still cheaper than wat u should spend on ur planning here. Or another way is to buy a COE lancer then dropped in a 4G63 evo engine. Comfirm cheap & high power!
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Post by tErI-yAkI on Feb 24, 2009 0:23:33 GMT 8
Dun think V1 can fit in evo engine unless u modify the engine mounting. But it's not very safe to do so. To achieve 300hp out fr the stock engine is a mission impossible. Unless u'r gg to TC it. But dun think can squeeze out so much power as the stock is only slightly abv 100. To withstand such a high power, ur engine muz really strong enough to hold it. Aft all, even if u get those power, oso make sure ur braking system is able to stop tis beast. If u really urge for a high power car, may b can consider a 2nd hand rex or evo. It's still cheaper than wat u should spend on ur planning here. Or another way is to buy a COE lancer then dropped in a 4G63 evo engine. Comfirm cheap & high power! no lar.. its not about money. i'm just wondering if cerato can be a project car.. thats all. my friend dropped a 2.5L engine to his 1.6 subaru.. only $2k+
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Post by psyfool7 on Feb 24, 2009 9:12:31 GMT 8
Dun think V1 can fit in evo engine unless u modify the engine mounting. But it's not very safe to do so. To achieve 300hp out fr the stock engine is a mission impossible. Unless u'r gg to TC it. But dun think can squeeze out so much power as the stock is only slightly abv 100. To withstand such a high power, ur engine muz really strong enough to hold it. Aft all, even if u get those power, oso make sure ur braking system is able to stop tis beast. If u really urge for a high power car, may b can consider a 2nd hand rex or evo. It's still cheaper than wat u should spend on ur planning here. Or another way is to buy a COE lancer then dropped in a 4G63 evo engine. Comfirm cheap & high power! no lar.. its not about money. i'm just wondering if cerato can be a project car.. thats all. my friend dropped a 2.5L engine to his 1.6 subaru.. only $2k+ Tat one is much easier coz Subaru from the TS to STi all same platform...so dumping in the bigger engine is not much of a problem...For Cerato, the 2L engine will be a good start...if u can find it... ;D
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Post by jemjem on Feb 24, 2009 9:20:12 GMT 8
no lar.. its not about money. i'm just wondering if cerato can be a project car.. thats all. my friend dropped a 2.5L engine to his 1.6 subaru.. only $2k+ Tat one is much easier coz Subaru from the TS to STi all same platform...so dumping in the bigger engine is not much of a problem...For Cerato, the 2L engine will be a good start...if u can find it... ;D Will be interesting to see Uncle driving a 300bhp 2l V2. hee hee
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Post by gimmegimmes on Feb 24, 2009 10:23:18 GMT 8
2L engine + 2 x snails, should do the trick ya?
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Post by ezys on Feb 24, 2009 10:37:06 GMT 8
Tat one is much easier coz Subaru from the TS to STi all same platform...so dumping in the bigger engine is not much of a problem...For Cerato, the 2L engine will be a good start...if u can find it... ;D Will be interesting to see Uncle driving a 300bhp 2l V2. hee hee hmmm... if uncle drive 300bhp ... 1st muz remind him to wear shoes... 2nd muz remind taxi drivers especially hyundai sonata be carefull oreadi loh... uncle is back wif a vengeance!!!
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Post by BluePicanto on Feb 24, 2009 13:56:34 GMT 8
no lar.. its not about money. i'm just wondering if cerato can be a project car.. thats all. my friend dropped a 2.5L engine to his 1.6 subaru.. only $2k+ Tat one is much easier coz Subaru from the TS to STi all same platform...so dumping in the bigger engine is not much of a problem...For Cerato, the 2L engine will be a good start...if u can find it... ;D Wat psyfool said is correct. Had seen lots of TS putting in 2.5NA engine fr aussie or US. Fr the outlook really cant tell the diff. Unless u drop the oil tank then u'll find it bigger. As for V1, i think u can try to drop a Tuscani 2.0 engine, then TC it. Probably can give u ard 200+ hp ba. But if u wanna use bk ur engine, can go jb try those bolt on snail lo. It's cheaper with slightly hp up @ low boost.
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Post by lostwitness on Feb 24, 2009 21:34:14 GMT 8
from the engineering stand point for internal combustion engines, 300bhp on a 1.6 is impossible. bear in mind, the most efficient turbo can only increase around 50% from base bhp. and this is provided the cylinders, piston, piston rings, con rod etc, can handle the high boost. in the case of a v1 cerato, base flywheel hp of 102(approximate)+51hp= 153bhp max on flywheel. not even remotely close to 200bhp. its far more efficient to boost a larger engine as the gains, e.g 50% of 100bhp is lesser then 50% of 200bhp. lets face it guys, our v1 will never out-power a high performance car. But that does NOT mean we cannot out-run a high performance car. a simple formula for acceleration is: acceleration = power - drag how do we increase acceleration if power fixed? we can reduce drag. strip your car down to reduce weight and you'll reduce the force needed to oppose inertia, which is the mean cause of drag. would you be surprised if a 50bhp, 80kg go-cart sprint faster then a 180bhp, 1600kg performance car? another example, a NA 1000cc superbike can out-sprint most supercars with much bigger engines. of course there is a limit to how much weight we can strip, my point here is that bhp is not the holy grail. there is a limit to how much our 1.6 can produce, look at other ways to reduce drag, and you be smiling after wining drags with cars of bigger hp.
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Post by psyfool7 on Feb 25, 2009 0:20:07 GMT 8
In other words, Power to weight ratio...
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Post by ceratov2m on Feb 25, 2009 4:53:20 GMT 8
I agree fully!
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Post by tErI-yAkI on Feb 25, 2009 12:10:16 GMT 8
tuscani engine can fit cerato? is it obvious?
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Post by psyfool7 on Feb 25, 2009 20:54:45 GMT 8
tuscani engine can fit cerato? is it obvious? I tink the engine looks different..So if pop bonnet shd be obvious...
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Post by mars on Feb 25, 2009 22:22:54 GMT 8
and if i nv rem wrongly... tuscani engine is v6.. thus engine mounting might be different... pls correct me if i'm wrong..
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Post by tErI-yAkI on Feb 25, 2009 23:08:31 GMT 8
I think the closest can get is to throw a 2.0L original cerato engine.
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Post by mars on Feb 25, 2009 23:27:58 GMT 8
ya.. but it quite hard to find one .. unless gt ppl tt is driving the 2.0L scraped his car...
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