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Post by darthtigger on Oct 19, 2010 21:50:55 GMT 8
hi fellow pica drivers!!
i have a high fuel consumption problem here.
i just bought a 2006 pica, topped up 2 tanks of 95 petrol already and both are giving about 10km/l, which is very high considering that pica is supposed to be on low fuel consumption.
i tried to be light footed most of the time and tried not to go beyond 3.5k rpm.
anyone got any idea what is happening to my pica?
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Post by ellioti on Oct 19, 2010 22:01:29 GMT 8
Hi there, I am experiencing about 10.9km/l for my 2007 1.1A pica. At best I get 11.9km/l. The agent I purchased my pica from gave my pica mineral oil which I suspect contributed to the rather high FC. The other thing to share with you is to also check your tyres too.. I am a new driver... so nothing much to share
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Post by aloysiusliew on Oct 19, 2010 22:26:04 GMT 8
Pica is not low fuel consumption. It is normal because CC is small. I drove my company Toyota 1.5L auto (1yr 2mths old only) is about 13km/l Mileage is better than my 06 auto pica. Mine is about 11 - 12km/l Dun be bother by the FC, just enjoy your ride is the key to joyful I usually pump 95, $50 (before discount) a week. 90% city 10% highway
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Post by nicktan1982 on Oct 19, 2010 22:46:51 GMT 8
recently i downgrade from ron95 to ron92 suprisingly my fuel consumption becomes better last time ron 95 ard 10km/l now 92 can reach 11.5km/l sia y y?
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Post by aloysiusliew on Oct 19, 2010 22:57:17 GMT 8
recently i downgrade from ron95 to ron92 suprisingly my fuel consumption becomes better last time ron 95 ard 10km/l now 92 can reach 11.5km/l sia y y? If you pay $50 on 92, the fuel you get is definitely more that 95. That why mileage up a bit but bo power.
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Post by Elvin on Oct 19, 2010 22:59:05 GMT 8
Dear TS, can share your driving patterns and also are you more to city driving or highway? Are u on MT or AT? 10km/l abit too thirsty. I am on an average 14km/l. Even if I ram hard and play racing, the worst is around 13 to 13.5
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Post by endlssorrow on Oct 19, 2010 23:18:34 GMT 8
3.5k rpm is high man... normally i hit below 2.0 to go about 70/75km...
80km --> more than 2.5rpm
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Post by khazampc on Oct 19, 2010 23:23:03 GMT 8
Okay I am a new Picanto owner like you, so maybe I share with you my figures so far. If you want to be updated, you can visit my blog (not advertising, sorry). Just wanna help. But I'll paste it here: Date of pump – Petrol pumped (litres) – Cost (SGD) – Distance travelled (km) – Consumption (km/l) 2 Oct 2010 – 26.25 – $52.27 – 362 – 13.8 6 Oct 2010 – 25.189 – $46.55 – 392.7 – 15.5 14 Oct 2010 – 23.537 – $43.72 – 361.4 – 15.4 16 Oct 2010 — Sent for full servicing 19 Oct 2010 – – $40.85 – – Btw I'm on manual, I pump Caltex 95, car is stock, except wheels 165/55R14. 75% highway, 25% city. I'm kinda glad I didn't take auto after hearing much negative views about it. 10km/l as I recall was like the Hyundai Matrix I drove previously. At least that engine capacity was bigger.
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Post by kwoni on Oct 19, 2010 23:29:22 GMT 8
3.5krpm is very high.. My acclr nvr cross 2.5krpm most of the time.. My auto FL still Manage to achieve around 13-14kml... It's not low compared to some higher cc cars like civic, which can easily achieve more than 15kml.
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Post by wingcher on Oct 19, 2010 23:42:45 GMT 8
recently i downgrade from ron95 to ron92 suprisingly my fuel consumption becomes better last time ron 95 ard 10km/l now 92 can reach 11.5km/l sia y y? If you pay $50 on 92, the fuel you get is definitely more that 95. That why mileage up a bit but bo power. sorry brother, i m confused... no matter how many litres more he pumps, every litre still gives him additional 1.5km... price is not a factor here bro...
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Post by aloysiusliew on Oct 20, 2010 0:33:01 GMT 8
If you pay $50 on 92, the fuel you get is definitely more that 95. That why mileage up a bit but bo power. sorry brother, i m confused... no matter how many litres more he pumps, every litre still gives him additional 1.5km... price is not a factor here bro... In fact, it is hard to said why give better mileage using 92. The different if pump $50 esso 92 and $50 esso 95 is about 1L different that will give extra 10 - 12km for a pica. Pica is recommended to use 91 octane gas is because most western country carry that. If pump 92 or 95 may also get the same mileage with that grade of fuel as it will with 91. Better fuel octane level may not have any affect on your gas mileage. Higher octane gave you more power because filtered better and better combustion, which is less harmful to an engine. Different driver/driving have difference approaches. You may want to check with nicktan what he has done on his pica that give better mileage when switch to 92. New driving style, new route, new EO.. filter.. spark plug.. etc can improve mileage too.
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Post by darthtigger on Oct 20, 2010 6:38:32 GMT 8
@elvin: i normally drive on highways to work, less on street routes, perhaps a 70% highway 30% city? i do agree 10km/l is very thirsty, even kia listed it as 14.9km/l. although i know it might not be able to hit that rate, but it at least have to be somewhere near it. @aloysiusliew: i dont expect it to hit very good consumption rates, but at least give me abt 12 to 13km/l, i hope.. kwoni: sorry, i'm a new driver, my friend advised me not to go beyond 3.5k rpm. but this kind of thing happens when picking up speed at traffic lights cos the pick up speed is alittle slow. i try to keep it below 2.5k rpm for this tank and see if there are improvements. could it the engine oil all those stuff?
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Post by nicktan1982 on Oct 20, 2010 7:49:51 GMT 8
sorry brother, i m confused... no matter how many litres more he pumps, every litre still gives him additional 1.5km... price is not a factor here bro... In fact, it is hard to said why give better mileage using 92. The different if pump $50 esso 92 and $50 esso 95 is about 1L different that will give extra 10 - 12km for a pica. Pica is recommended to use 91 octane gas is because most western country carry that. If pump 92 or 95 may also get the same mileage with that grade of fuel as it will with 91. Better fuel octane level may not have any affect on your gas mileage. Higher octane gave you more power because filtered better and better combustion, which is less harmful to an engine. Different driver/driving have difference approaches. You may want to check with nicktan what he has done on his pica that give better mileage when switch to 92. New driving style, new route, new EO.. filter.. spark plug.. etc can improve mileage too. ehh.. I normally pump full tank 1 leh.. Den no change in driving style or change anything. Last few wkz juz wanna try out 92, so pumped it. Den realise full tank can drive longer distance sia.. Pump ard 4-5 times Liao, fuel comsuption still gd.. Tink I will stick with 92 for nw.. Hahaha
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Post by picanyeo on Oct 20, 2010 8:40:45 GMT 8
hi fellow pica drivers!! i have a high fuel consumption problem here. i just bought a 2006 pica, topped up 2 tanks of 95 petrol already and both are giving about 10km/l, which is very high considering that pica is supposed to be on low fuel consumption. i tried to be light footed most of the time and tried not to go beyond 3.5k rpm. anyone got any idea what is happening to my pica? For consumption figures provided, based on data collected from users, is 12 - 14km/ltr for AT and 15 - 17km/ltr for MT.. Difference between MT and AT is 3km/ltr, even official figures provided stated the difference of 3km/ltr.. So it's quite accurate in this sense.. For your pica, I would assume it is auto.. If it's manual, there's something really wrong.. But even if it's auto, quite unusual to hit 10km/ltr.. Too low.. I would advise to check: - Tyre pressure 220kpa to 230kpa for front and rear.. - Engine Oil: When was it last serviced - Spark Plugs: Have it reached its lifespan? Condition of spark plug deteriorates with usage - ATF: When was it last serviced? - Air filter: Still in good condition? If not, get it changed.. Get a hi-flow filter such as K&N.. Price is ok and provides higher flow of air throughout the rpm range.. Another thing about your driving for the 3.5rpm.. For good FC, auto pica performs best up to 3rpm.. If you are using drop in, no point going below 3rpm coz the acceleration will slow down after 3rpm.. In addition, for gd fc, travel at 90km/hr.. If you travel 100 or 110km/hr, you will realise that the FC will be worse..
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Post by Elvin on Oct 20, 2010 9:37:17 GMT 8
hmm... TS, what tyres are you using at the moment?
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Post by aloysiusliew on Oct 20, 2010 10:00:07 GMT 8
In fact, it is hard to said why give better mileage using 92. The different if pump $50 esso 92 and $50 esso 95 is about 1L different that will give extra 10 - 12km for a pica. Pica is recommended to use 91 octane gas is because most western country carry that. If pump 92 or 95 may also get the same mileage with that grade of fuel as it will with 91. Better fuel octane level may not have any affect on your gas mileage. Higher octane gave you more power because filtered better and better combustion, which is less harmful to an engine. Different driver/driving have difference approaches. You may want to check with nicktan what he has done on his pica that give better mileage when switch to 92. New driving style, new route, new EO.. filter.. spark plug.. etc can improve mileage too. ehh.. I normally pump full tank 1 leh.. Den no change in driving style or change anything. Last few wkz juz wanna try out 92, so pumped it. Den realise full tank can drive longer distance sia.. Pump ard 4-5 times Liao, fuel comsuption still gd.. Tink I will stick with 92 for nw.. Hahaha hmm Than I think you car love different kind of milk. I remember few months ago a thread discuss about the kind of fuel we usually pump. Some like 92, other prefer 95. Some love Caltex, some dun. Most important I feel is to enjoy your driving.
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Post by darthtigger on Oct 20, 2010 10:11:42 GMT 8
picanyeo: yup, mine is an AT pica. my tyre pressure is 250kpa. as for servicing, i dont know when the last owner serviced it as i bought it 2nd hand. i was thinking of sending for servicing soon but i have no idea which is a good workshop to send it to and not get chopped. i'll try not to go beyond 3k rpm now. on highways, my crusing speed is usually between 80 to 95kmh. for the things u mentioned, what are the brands which is good for a pica? maybe i could buy those, bring it down to a workshop and pay for the labour. @elvin: hankook 14" tyres.
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Post by nakshire on Oct 20, 2010 10:23:56 GMT 8
i stopped using hancook after my latio changed to hancook last time. just personal preference.
Go servcing soon, change ur ATF, EO and SP.
tyre pressure at 250kPa is too high. deflate it to 230 better.
You can try amsoil, their protection is good. use their signature series, proven to protect engine very well.
Apply your foot pressure to such that it cruises, rather than having u to range so big of 80-95. its too big liao. When I rest my foot, the car travels at 90-100 without extra pressure. Mine's exceptionally high, cos i zng before le... haha
my fc is 16.5 for the previous tank.
start off - 1st gear - 3k 2nd gear - 4k 3rd gear - 2.5k 4th gear - 2.5k 5th gear - nv see. cos already reach 80 to 90 le.
once i reach that speed, i stopped hard revving my car. hehe
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Post by Elvin on Oct 20, 2010 10:28:14 GMT 8
wah.. ur 1st and 2nd gear like tat still can maintain 16.5 ar?
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Post by nakshire on Oct 20, 2010 10:30:53 GMT 8
HW all the way ma, of cos can. hahaha
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Post by nakshire on Oct 20, 2010 10:33:17 GMT 8
if u apply 10,000N of force to get a slow acceleration, u travel 500m to get your desired speed, total work done by car is F x distance = 10,000 x 500 = 5,000,000 J of energy
if u apply 15,000N of force to get a shiok acceleration, u travel 200m to get ur desired speed, total work done by car is 15,000 x 200 = 3,000,000 J of energy
Do the math, i prefer shiok acceleration
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Post by aloysiusliew on Oct 20, 2010 10:45:18 GMT 8
if u apply 10,000N of force to get a slow acceleration, u travel 500m to get your desired speed, total work done by car is F x distance = 10,000 x 500 = 5,000,000 J of energy if u apply 15,000N of force to get a shiok acceleration, u travel 200m to get ur desired speed, total work done by car is 15,000 x 200 = 3,000,000 J of energy Do the math, i prefer shiok acceleration Apply more power to get ur desired speed at a shorter distance. My auto 1st gear to 3rd gear change is always about 2.5 - 3.2prm If I'm not wrong, my pica reach second lamp post is already about 55 - 60km/h
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Post by darthtigger on Oct 20, 2010 11:06:05 GMT 8
i stopped using hancook after my latio changed to hancook last time. just personal preference. Go servcing soon, change ur ATF, EO and SP. tyre pressure at 250kPa is too high. deflate it to 230 better. You can try amsoil, their protection is good. use their signature series, proven to protect engine very well. Apply your foot pressure to such that it cruises, rather than having u to range so big of 80-95. its too big liao. When I rest my foot, the car travels at 90-100 without extra pressure. Mine's exceptionally high, cos i zng before le... haha my fc is 16.5 for the previous tank. start off - 1st gear - 3k 2nd gear - 4k 3rd gear - 2.5k 4th gear - 2.5k 5th gear - nv see. cos already reach 80 to 90 le. once i reach that speed, i stopped hard revving my car. hehe may i know what's ATF? got any reliable workshop to recommend?
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Post by BlackBird on Oct 20, 2010 11:53:24 GMT 8
either ->the oil u use is too thick ->the tyre width u use is too thick ->the tyre pressure low ->ATF haven change ->Haven do tyre rotating n balancing ->Stuck in Jam ->Seldom Drive ->Coolant haven change
For the fuel, i notice 92 FC is very good compare to 95, duno y. im using Techron92 for the past few months.
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Post by Elvin on Oct 20, 2010 11:59:19 GMT 8
More acceleration can save petrol ar?
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