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Post by evererin on Jul 6, 2009 10:32:24 GMT 8
same here, rio 1.6a at 100km/hr is around RPM 2.5K
hope it helps..
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Post by kuremikio on Jul 6, 2009 13:21:59 GMT 8
Hi guys.. Just to share my feedback over the past weekend.. In terms of FC, my first tank of petrol after the QF managed to clock in 364km based on 25.47Ltr of petrol.. So FC is 14.29km/ltr.. And this FC is based on full load with air con coz I've been driving on a full load of passengers throughout the weekend.. 14.29km/ltr is an improvement of 2km/ltr from the initial 12+km/ltr.. In terms of power, I was told by one of our fellow picas that QF takes time to run in.. But what I experience from this 2 days is surprise.. For my pica, from 1 to 2.5krpm, nothing much happens.. Just like normal driving.. But higher power compared to stock.. But after 2.5krpm, if you are willingly to step on it, the power actually comes in.. Before QF, my pica seems to have lost power after 3krpm, but after QF, it just keeps going until 4krpm.. Didn't went on any further.. But the power it exhibits during this range is I didn't experience something like this before QF.. I'm still expecting some changes as a fellow pica pointed out the time needed for run in.. Hopefully, the improvement comes in from the FC.. But overall, if the FC continues to be in the region of 14km/ltr and above, I should say that the QF is really awesome.. It can help you save petrol in the lower rpm, yet give you power in the higher rpm.. I feel that it's a great mod.. Thanks to all the pica bros whom I'm PM in order to find out more about QF.. They have been providing valuable feedback and info which makes me decide to go for the QF.. everyone.. thanks picanyeo for the further feedbacks regarding QF. i've already decided to go for QF and had paid deposit last sat when i first met joey. he is really a nice guy with patience and lots of experience to share which comes with a smile. lol joey even enlightened me on some issues with my car, now i can go back C&C to pin-point the problem. too bad my budget is already over for this month, if not i would have done the QF earlier... hmmm... having to reach 3krpm to maintain 100km/h seems abit too stressful for our A/T pica... is pica meant to be so stressed out during high speed? anyone can share their experience driving a pica through NSH? My fren told me that he drove 130~150km/h along NSH for a period of 2+hrs without any issue for his M/T pica... (3+yr old pica) sounds scary to me though...
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Post by kuremikio on Jul 6, 2009 13:30:14 GMT 8
I think manual pica has a lower rpm.. Around 2.8rpm for 100km/hr? We will need some manual picas to comment on this.. somehow i feel that this thread is slowly being integrated into a Poison thread.. This poison really powerful.. Can spread in any thread in this forum.. everyone.. Let's spread the poison even more.. my family cerato V1 manual at 2.8k-2.9k rpm at 100km/h.. my own Rio auto at 2.3-2.4k rpm at 100km/h its quite standard for every MT n AT car.. i'm not the 1 trying to poison others! well, its just too contagious... lol hmmm... ur Rio A/T has a lower rpm @ 100km/h compared to ur family's V1? V1 = 1600cc and Rio = 1400cc if i'm not wrong?
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Post by kuremikio on Jul 6, 2009 13:32:13 GMT 8
same here, rio 1.6a at 100km/hr is around RPM 2.5K hope it helps.. hmmm... how many different types of Rio are there? ur's is 1600cc...
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Post by kuremikio on Jul 6, 2009 13:51:47 GMT 8
regarding A/T pica, did any1 feel that it somehow has more than 4 gears? (think i've read in another post on this... now i'm feeling it too)
firstly is when engaged on gear 3: - start off on gear 1, then gear 2 (each changing gear at around 2.7krpm) - then during gear 3, i stepped on the accelerator slightly harder, rpm goes to 3k - the rpm will then drop to 2.7k, power maintains (doesn't feel like a gear shift) - then finally it changes to the last gear where the rpm further drops to 2.3k and i reach the cruising speed of 80km/h
another "additional" gear when engaged on gear 4: - while maintaining at 80km/h with rpm at 2.3k going on str8 road - then i engage a standard flyover with same speed - while maintaining my right foot and reach about 1/3 of the slope - engine suddenly gives higher power and rpm increases to 2.8k where i'm still at 80km/h (doesn't feel like gear shift)
i'm wondering if it's the ECU that's causing these? like telling the injector to input more petrol to provide a combustion to achieve a certain torque/power determined by our right foot...
what i dun get is that if the gearbox's gear ratios or shaft (the things that reflex the rpm on our tachometer?) are fixed, how can it change the rpm even if engaged in the same gear?
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Post by danielkoh on Jul 6, 2009 14:00:27 GMT 8
Hi guys, after reading all the input here... I have decided to do the QF for my new Rio 1.4A as well... My 'pure' rio gog to get poison-ed soon... :x
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Post by kuremikio on Jul 6, 2009 14:04:22 GMT 8
Hi guys, after reading all the input here... I have decided to do the QF for my new Rio 1.4A as well... My 'pure' rio gog to get poison-ed soon... :x welcome onboard! lol just try to keep it under control... :x anyway, its a great deal now as its under promotion. that's why i book it first. now no $ cos of too many poisons... hahaha
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Post by princehong on Jul 6, 2009 15:36:13 GMT 8
Wiao! Alot of replys. I am slow.. LOL.... Mine's a F/L manual about 7months old clocking 15000 plus km on the odo. Well, I guess i cannot feel the difference becos during the running-in, i have already been revving and giving it a hard revving to my pica liao. so somehow b4 n after the QF i feel that everything is like the same. Can only say that it is really smoother. But recently due to the promotion by caltex, i went to pump Platinum 98. Either it is just own thinking, but i personally feel the extra ooozmh and power in my ride. I guess maybe QF works really well with high octane petrol? Anyway i agree that maybe more mods can be done to feel the extra ooze. Esp, i believe open-pod plus CAI will do just fine. LEgally too..
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Post by princehong on Jul 6, 2009 15:41:23 GMT 8
Well, for me, 100km/hr is always at the 3000rpm mark. This seems pretty standard as compared to my dad's corolla GLi. I guess the gear ratios is somehow similar? Well, agreed that a different model costs much more. But one thing i must stress it that, I personally feel that picanto is super value for money, in the sense that for the price, everything is good. Even if there's money to burn, I'll use my pica to practice all my driving techniques first. (Anybody onz to join? ) After that then maybe decide on a different model or make.
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Post by cliuc on Jul 6, 2009 16:47:55 GMT 8
eh? My pre-F/L auto Picanto's 100km/hr is at about 2600~2700rpm mark
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Post by princehong on Jul 6, 2009 16:58:42 GMT 8
yah mine's 3000rpm... wonder why too...
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Post by kuremikio on Jul 6, 2009 17:15:16 GMT 8
eh? My pre-F/L auto Picanto's 100km/hr is at about 2600~2700rpm mark hi cliuc, may i know what mods u did to ur pica? or were there any changes in rpm compared when u first bought till today? thanks in advance!
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Post by cliuc on Jul 6, 2009 18:43:21 GMT 8
Actually, I have done everything on your list, but got the extra as follows: 1) Rear spoiler - generic one, came with the car 2) ECU QF - Harmony 3) RPM lighten pulley - Vim Auto 4) 14" sports rim with 185/55/14 Falkens Ziex 912 5) Brisk LGS spark plugs 6) Redline 10W30 motor oils Hope this helps! Didn't pay that much attention (as in rpms, etc etc) but with all the combination of mods, the end result now is pretty satisfying for me personally already.
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Post by cliuc on Jul 6, 2009 18:44:49 GMT 8
Oh and btw mine was a 2 year old second hand car
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Post by kuremikio on Jul 6, 2009 18:47:33 GMT 8
Actually, I have done everything on your list, but got the extra as follows: 1) Rear spoiler - generic one, came with the car 2) ECU QF - Harmony 3) RPM lighten pulley - Vim Auto 4) 14" sports rim with 185/55/14 Falkens Ziex 912 5) Brisk LGS spark plugs 6) Redline 10W30 motor oils Hope this helps! Didn't pay that much attention (as in rpms, etc etc) but with all the combination of mods, the end result now is pretty satisfying for me personally already. thanks for sharing! from the list, i think it could either be the LWP or the engine oil which will affect it most? does the LWP affect ur high speed performance? and also, can u share ur FC? thanks in advance!
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Post by cliuc on Jul 6, 2009 21:38:36 GMT 8
Oh sorry forgot (7) Blitz spark plug cable - Vim Auto FC is hovering around 12.90km/ltr, weekends usually me driving and weekdays my wife drives to work (jam) For the LWP, so far in S'pore haven't noticed a big difference in top speed.
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Post by devilcup on Jul 6, 2009 22:53:27 GMT 8
Hi guys, My Pica just got QF-ed yesterday.. Thanks to Joey for providing excellent customer service.. Just want to submit my feedback and also to enquire about some queries that I have.. I'll write this feedback according to these groups: Performance, FC, Queries. Performance: My apologies for being so direct, but basically, when I first test drive aft QF, I was expecting this factor but it didn't surface.. Performance increase by abit but definitely not 10% as I thought. When I installed the Pmax, CAI and grounding, I really felt a difference compared to stock.. So I hope to have this experience once again. It was driving home then I really started to access how effective this QF is.. So I test it out on the slope from BKE to SLE.. Don't worry coz I didn't speed my way up the slope.. This slope has always been a big problem for my pica, esp with passengers.. With a throttle of about 50%, which I have been using all along, I make my way up the slope.. I realised it has become easier to clear the slope.. However, I was still not convinced. Who knows I may have apply more pressure sub-consciously to achieve the feeling of my pica is more powerful.. More tests has to be done.. Unconvinced that this QF really does work, I took my pica out for a drive in the evening.. Pumped a full tank to start monitor FC.. I drive around the streets and then took to the expressway for a spin.. And I also assessed my pica when I drove to work today.. I was closing the gap along the slip road to an expressway.. I have been overtaken by 3 vehicles.. If I continue to let vehicles overtake as a good gesture, I think that the vehicles behind would swear at me for being such a "polite" driver.. Those overtaking cars don't have to queue while we have to wait for minutes before our turn to enter the slip road.. So i pressed the accelerator slightly harder, but less then 50% definitely.. How many percent I don't know.. What I know is that my car just surge forward.. I was caught by surprise and have to brake to slow the vehicle down.. So this is what QF is all about.. It has to be driven hard to show its effects.. While driving through the expressway, I also realised that there is more torque in the region of 80km/hr and 100km/hr.. FC: Normally, my pump needed starts to drop after I've travelled 70+km.. But I managed to squeeze out 100km before the needle starts to drop.. The key point to take note is the mid tank milegae.. Normally, the highest that I would achieve is around 250km.. If I can achieve a mileage higher this time round, that could signify a decrease in FC. Of coz I must take 3 tanks as a gauge, so I could only have the answer later on.. But one thing I'm still not sure is that has my ECU learn the new programme yet? Normally how long does it take to learn? Hope you guys don't mind my long feedback.. Have a good day everyone.. are you driving a auto or manual?
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Post by devilcup on Jul 6, 2009 22:54:40 GMT 8
Well, for me, 100km/hr is always at the 3000rpm mark. This seems pretty standard as compared to my dad's corolla GLi. I guess the gear ratios is somehow similar? Well, agreed that a different model costs much more. But one thing i must stress it that, I personally feel that picanto is super value for money, in the sense that for the price, everything is good. Even if there's money to burn, I'll use my pica to practice all my driving techniques first. (Anybody onz to join? ) After that then maybe decide on a different model or make. manual gear is ard 3k at 100km/hr
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Post by devilcup on Jul 6, 2009 22:56:13 GMT 8
Wiao! Alot of replys. I am slow.. LOL.... Mine's a F/L manual about 7months old clocking 15000 plus km on the odo. Well, I guess i cannot feel the difference becos during the running-in, i have already been revving and giving it a hard revving to my pica liao. so somehow b4 n after the QF i feel that everything is like the same. Can only say that it is really smoother. But recently due to the promotion by caltex, i went to pump Platinum 98. Either it is just own thinking, but i personally feel the extra ooozmh and power in my ride. I guess maybe QF works really well with high octane petrol? Anyway i agree that maybe more mods can be done to feel the extra ooze. Esp, i believe open-pod plus CAI will do just fine. LEgally too.. i try pump 98 at caltex but feel the same as 95. this friday i going harmony motor, hope joey can help test a bit.
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Post by devilcup on Jul 6, 2009 22:58:06 GMT 8
Hi guys.. Just to share my feedback over the past weekend.. In terms of FC, my first tank of petrol after the QF managed to clock in 364km based on 25.47Ltr of petrol.. So FC is 14.29km/ltr.. And this FC is based on full load with air con coz I've been driving on a full load of passengers throughout the weekend.. 14.29km/ltr is an improvement of 2km/ltr from the initial 12+km/ltr.. In terms of power, I was told by one of our fellow picas that QF takes time to run in.. But what I experience from this 2 days is surprise.. For my pica, from 1 to 2.5krpm, nothing much happens.. Just like normal driving.. But higher power compared to stock.. But after 2.5krpm, if you are willingly to step on it, the power actually comes in.. Before QF, my pica seems to have lost power after 3krpm, but after QF, it just keeps going until 4krpm.. Didn't went on any further.. But the power it exhibits during this range is I didn't experience something like this before QF.. I'm still expecting some changes as a fellow pica pointed out the time needed for run in.. Hopefully, the improvement comes in from the FC.. But overall, if the FC continues to be in the region of 14km/ltr and above, I should say that the QF is really awesome.. It can help you save petrol in the lower rpm, yet give you power in the higher rpm.. I feel that it's a great mod.. Thanks to all the pica bros whom I'm PM in order to find out more about QF.. They have been providing valuable feedback and info which makes me decide to go for the QF.. everyone.. so envy ur FC... mine cannot go pass 14km/l... manual so more...
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Post by kuremikio on Jul 6, 2009 23:42:53 GMT 8
can redeem $5 platinum 98 voucher at caltex now rite? i tried to redeem after adding 95 petrol, they say i could redeem on the spot only if i pump 98... dunno what's the "voucher" all about... hmmm... i ever tried driving off like how a usual 1.5~1.6L car will accelerate, my fc clocked around 10.5km/l... seems like picas still have to stick to lane 2 and above, most cars will just overtake me if i take lane 1... or we'll just suffer lousy fc if we try to close up the gap. anyway, its still a budget but good car to own for a beginner like me, where i can meet so many nice bros in this forum. Cheers! hehe
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Post by kuremikio on Jul 6, 2009 23:44:22 GMT 8
sry, i left out something, the redeem of $5 "voucher" is with 100 Thanks Points at Caltex.
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Post by devilcup on Jul 7, 2009 0:15:29 GMT 8
wahaha caltex i using safra so no point. but more discount anyway i always speed at lane 1 after QF, speed up is much easier but then my FC is lousy could due to my driving route, i most of time is on city route than highway, like 60% to 40% respectively sometime is 50 50
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Post by picanyeo on Jul 7, 2009 7:53:31 GMT 8
Hi guys, My Pica just got QF-ed yesterday.. Thanks to Joey for providing excellent customer service.. Just want to submit my feedback and also to enquire about some queries that I have.. I'll write this feedback according to these groups: Performance, FC, Queries. Performance: My apologies for being so direct, but basically, when I first test drive aft QF, I was expecting this factor but it didn't surface.. Performance increase by abit but definitely not 10% as I thought. When I installed the Pmax, CAI and grounding, I really felt a difference compared to stock.. So I hope to have this experience once again. It was driving home then I really started to access how effective this QF is.. So I test it out on the slope from BKE to SLE.. Don't worry coz I didn't speed my way up the slope.. This slope has always been a big problem for my pica, esp with passengers.. With a throttle of about 50%, which I have been using all along, I make my way up the slope.. I realised it has become easier to clear the slope.. However, I was still not convinced. Who knows I may have apply more pressure sub-consciously to achieve the feeling of my pica is more powerful.. More tests has to be done.. Unconvinced that this QF really does work, I took my pica out for a drive in the evening.. Pumped a full tank to start monitor FC.. I drive around the streets and then took to the expressway for a spin.. And I also assessed my pica when I drove to work today.. I was closing the gap along the slip road to an expressway.. I have been overtaken by 3 vehicles.. If I continue to let vehicles overtake as a good gesture, I think that the vehicles behind would swear at me for being such a "polite" driver.. Those overtaking cars don't have to queue while we have to wait for minutes before our turn to enter the slip road.. So i pressed the accelerator slightly harder, but less then 50% definitely.. How many percent I don't know.. What I know is that my car just surge forward.. I was caught by surprise and have to brake to slow the vehicle down.. So this is what QF is all about.. It has to be driven hard to show its effects.. While driving through the expressway, I also realised that there is more torque in the region of 80km/hr and 100km/hr.. FC: Normally, my pump needed starts to drop after I've travelled 70+km.. But I managed to squeeze out 100km before the needle starts to drop.. The key point to take note is the mid tank milegae.. Normally, the highest that I would achieve is around 250km.. If I can achieve a mileage higher this time round, that could signify a decrease in FC. Of coz I must take 3 tanks as a gauge, so I could only have the answer later on.. But one thing I'm still not sure is that has my ECU learn the new programme yet? Normally how long does it take to learn? Hope you guys don't mind my long feedback.. Have a good day everyone.. are you driving a auto or manual? I'm driving an auto..
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Post by picanyeo on Jul 7, 2009 7:57:12 GMT 8
Hi guys, after reading all the input here... I have decided to do the QF for my new Rio 1.4A as well... My 'pure' rio gog to get poison-ed soon... :x I assume you haven't done anything to your new rio? So qf will be the starting point.. There will be more items and gadgets to add on later.. be it cosmetic or performance based.. At first, when I started reading this forum, I was puzzled to read this word "poison" in this forum.. Now I;m starting to know why.. It's not called poison for nothing..
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