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Post by fadidas on Jan 12, 2011 20:26:01 GMT 8
i 1 free trial oso cn?
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Post by maxx on Jan 12, 2011 20:32:23 GMT 8
QF -$480. its expensive..yet i guess it wont be as good as doing Unichip Q tuning ..you will not only gain more hp on Unichip Q but at least you are paying for not only the tuning but also holding a product that you can sell after de-kit.
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Post by guardian on Jan 13, 2011 8:39:05 GMT 8
Need to cut wire. Warranty gone. That's the risk u have to take. Can't hide the solder chip too.
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Post by Lao Beng on Jan 13, 2011 10:40:51 GMT 8
For Unichip Q wise it still 10% and the end of day QF or Unichip Q is the same. only different on Unichip Q have more function.
However for Unichip Q how much BHP you want 30 or 40 even Honda Type-R 2L have the power of 230BHP JDM after Unichip Q can get approximate 250 to 260BHP those who say can goes up to 280BHP you need to change number of things like advance cam eg.
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Post by maxx on Jan 14, 2011 13:07:46 GMT 8
QF, who knows? may not even increase any hp.it just simpily change the power band or throttle respond , to make you feel fast (just like 3 drive throttle controller = 0 hp gain). Unichip Q has proved itself on dyno,but not QF, so dont presume or guess. everyone are just talking base on butt-feel.( DYNO chart will tell everything ) so wait for the DYNO chart
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Post by guardian on Jan 14, 2011 13:27:10 GMT 8
Seeing is believing.
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Post by tanjm348 on Jan 14, 2011 15:05:57 GMT 8
Seeing is believing. Actually I was abit disappointed with the reply. I was hoping Joey gave a brief run-down of what the QF was looking at. - terms like; "we remap to optimize air intake; at low revs, we try to advance CVVT (if it can be done); we remap for increase fuel/air mix" etc. - and dyno charts even without details so as to protect their IP - intellecture property on the QF. I'm ok.. But don't expect me to buy motherhood statements "The improvement is very obvious. You can feel it even before leaving my factory gate (haha). There is no harm trying! $480 is nett." Sorry I have a big fat A55 don't think can feel improvement.
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Post by Harmony Motor on Jan 14, 2011 23:23:16 GMT 8
One question- with all our mod Eg drop in filter, CAI etc. Still can gain 10%? I believe stock car can feel the difference more after QF. That would be 12bhp as 10% of 124bhp? There should be an limitation to the gain. It is very difficult to state firmly what will be the gain after you modded with intake. That's because I don't know the size of your pipings and the volume of air different with your intake. Prediction is extremely difficult with hardware modded engines. You are right by stating that there is a limit to the gain. Eg. If I were to buy an intake set which stated 5 HP gain, extractor (10 HP), Muffler (8 HP). By putting all together doesn't equate to 23 HP gain. Most of the time it will be much lower that 23 HP gain.
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Post by Harmony Motor on Jan 14, 2011 23:31:04 GMT 8
QF -$480. its expensive..yet i guess it wont be as good as doing Unichip Q tuning ..you will not only gain more hp on Unichip Q but at least you are paying for not only the tuning but also holding a product that you can sell after de-kit. I beg to differ. From my experience, OEP is the best that you can get (although I must qualify that tuner play a big role). That is why car manufacturing countries like Japan, Korea, Europe and US, enthusiasts already switched to Original ECU Programming. In fact lots of Piggyback agents in Japan and Korea have closed shop. Also, try checking the price of a used piggyback online and you will know what's it's worth. Currently, QF transfer is selling at $280 when you de-kit. But you hardly find one QF transfer online because most owner don't sell them or it's being snap up with minutes of putting up for sale.
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Post by Harmony Motor on Jan 14, 2011 23:33:12 GMT 8
Need to cut wire. Warranty gone. That's the risk u have to take. Can't hide the solder chip too. For OEP, it's programmed via your OBD 2 socket. No cutting of wires. Even AD can't detect it with their scanners. So there no warranty issue. Of the 1000+ cars that I have QFed, there is zero void of warranty.
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Post by Harmony Motor on Jan 14, 2011 23:35:39 GMT 8
For Unichip Q wise it still 10% and the end of day QF or Unichip Q is the same. only different on Unichip Q have more function. However for Unichip Q how much BHP you want 30 or 40 even Honda Type-R 2L have the power of 230BHP JDM after Unichip Q can get approximate 250 to 260BHP those who say can goes up to 280BHP you need to change number of things like advance cam eg. The most popular and best Honda tune now is Hondata Flash Pro. And this is Original ECU Programming. Audi is MTM, BMW is Dimsport, Volvo is BSR. All are OEP.
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Post by Harmony Motor on Jan 14, 2011 23:38:29 GMT 8
QF, who knows? may not even increase any hp.it just simpily change the power band or throttle respond , to make you feel fast (just like 3 drive throttle controller = 0 hp gain). Unichip Q has proved itself on dyno,but not QF, so dont presume or guess. everyone are just talking base on butt-feel.( DYNO chart will tell everything ) so wait for the DYNO chart I have done so many dyno with OEP, I'll dig out some dyno for you. So afar, I dare say that I tune the most car in Sg in the last 5 years (more than 1000). well maybe all piggybacks combined is more than me. But if you were to combine all brands of OEP, then we beat PB hands down.
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Post by Harmony Motor on Jan 14, 2011 23:42:18 GMT 8
Seeing is believing. Actually I was abit disappointed with the reply. I was hoping Joey gave a brief run-down of what the QF was looking at. - terms like; "we remap to optimize air intake; at low revs, we try to advance CVVT (if it can be done); we remap for increase fuel/air mix" etc. - and dyno charts even without details so as to protect their IP - intellecture property on the QF. I'm ok.. But don't expect me to buy motherhood statements "The improvement is very obvious. You can feel it even before leaving my factory gate (haha). There is no harm trying! $480 is nett." Sorry I have a big fat A55 don't think can feel improvement. Will try my best to share more information with all you guys. I've been around this forums for more than 5 years. Lots of the discussions are repeated. Sometimes, I get confused with myself whether I've answered this questions or nt. Sorry, old liao. Another problem is I now access the forums from my iPad and don't have lots of info like dyno charts with me. But if you run a search, I m sure you'll be able to find some charts that I've posted. Sorry for my laziness and thanks
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Post by MindBox33 on Jan 15, 2011 8:56:59 GMT 8
QF -$480. its expensive..yet i guess it wont be as good as doing Unichip Q tuning ..you will not only gain more hp on Unichip Q but at least you are paying for not only the tuning but also holding a product that you can sell after de-kit. I beg to differ. From my experience, OEP is the best that you can get (although I must qualify that tuner play a big role). That is why car manufacturing countries like Japan, Korea, Europe and US, enthusiasts already switched to Original ECU Programming. In fact lots of Piggyback agents in Japan and Korea have closed shop. Also, try checking the price of a used piggyback online and you will know what's it's worth. Currently, QF transfer is selling at $280 when you de-kit. But you hardly find one QF transfer online because most owner don't sell them or it's being snap up with minutes of putting up for sale. i totally agreed w bro joey. ps: me not related w him or share any comm fr him. i share my past experiences w QF. first, rio 1.4A.. install 3 yrs ago.. at a good GB price.. installed.. ok lo.. more responsive during pick up n changing lane.. smoother... after few mths..like no difference le so tot its a hoax product again. but nvm la.. wat to do. 2plus yrs later, b4 i sold my rio, i go back joey to uninstall my QF.. after drive out to main road heading into highway.. press my oil.. SHIIIITTT... its so sluggish.. slow..stupid!!! now i know this thing works, just that after sometimes we used to it n greedy for more.. 2nd car.. change to cerato.. 1.6M... install back QF.. even my mother in law say wat i did.. smoother to rev up.. lighter.. but after since its a 2nd QF fr my rio, i have to sell it together w the car. now, my avante. i quickly snap up a 2nd hand QF fr a bro here.. nothing to say more here. then i gotten a lucky draw QF from lately skc anniversary.. post online & snap up quite fast for 380 or 400 (forgot le). maybe diff ppl feel differently.. but in my current ride avante now.. only got 2 things, QF n VSD wic is also another proven item after i remove it the first time to feel the diff. its only a QF to make slightly EASIER for us to drive daily only..
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Post by MindBox33 on Jan 15, 2011 9:03:16 GMT 8
one more thing.. if i wan to feel improvements from the gadgets or device in my ride.. skip korean car n head for performance cars..suitable for normal day drive w leisure or family/business use.
jus my own opinion.
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Post by guardian on Jan 15, 2011 9:37:51 GMT 8
We want to bring out the limitation to our cars. What's the use of getting a performance car. Be realistic, my friend. We don't earn $10000per month. That's why u did QF too, right?
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Post by spyder8850 on Jan 15, 2011 10:14:11 GMT 8
So bro joey, Can u tell us a bit on the QF mapping?! What is it based on(mapping)? Research? Or root to an existing mapping?
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Post by Harmony Motor on Jan 15, 2011 12:42:45 GMT 8
We want to bring out the limitation to our cars. What's the use of getting a performance car. Be realistic, my friend. We don't earn $10000per month. That's why u did QF too, right? I fully agrees with you. When I was young, I got a bicycle, I also tweeted with it, change the propellar Gears, lighten wheels, slick tyres etc. Few years back, I have got a customer who bought a Ferrari, next thing he do is up size the twin turbo and lots of other things. Best thing was, he brought in 2 Australian Technician to do all the jobs here. So be it a bicycle or a Super car, we get trilled by modding it, to bring out the limitation (maximun) of our beloved ride. That is the way to go. This forum is super for this type of DISCUSSION. We SHARE our knowledge and information. Let's keep our comment CONSTRUCTIVE rather than DESTRUCTIVE.
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Post by Harmony Motor on Jan 15, 2011 12:55:03 GMT 8
So bro joey, Can u tell us a bit on the QF mapping?! What is it based on(mapping)? Research? Or root to an existing mapping? You have 8 - 16 maps in most piggyback. You must also understand how a PB works. It is a signal interceptor/modifier. It still depends mostly on the decision of the ECU and disregard lots of conditions and logic of the original ECU. The original ECU comes with 2 areas: Computing Logics and Data. We only can modify the data section. The data sections consists more than 300 maps. For all different purposes. We don't touch all of them. If we go back to the basic engine, to make power, we tweet with the Air/Fuel Ratio and the Ignition Timing. That is the basic since the Caburettor time. Modern engine has CVVT, launch control, etc. These are more difficult things to do. All these are in the Original ECU and as long as you have the information and knowledge, you can play with them. We are not a car manufacturing country, that is why we find it difficult to gather information on the logic of the Engine Management. For Japanese and European, they are fully informed and thus they switch to this technology instantly. However, we are not too behind the world in OEP. I have achieved some remarkable result as well for the first to crack Mitsubishi Colt Version R and Lancer CS5 1.8 Turbo. I can do Nissan, Suzuki and Mazda. Fourth Country in the world after Japan, Korea and USA. Now in the midst of cracking Honda, will be the 4th too.
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Post by nite2nite on Jan 15, 2011 13:19:08 GMT 8
I also believe more in ECU flash than Piggyback... cos with all the newer ECU and CAN compliant -- meaning more sensors and feedback system to the ECU, the old method of Piggyback is now consider back-dated cos the ECU can relearn and the piggyback's adjustment of the sensor readings will not tally with the other sensors and it would be render useless....
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Post by Lao Beng on Jan 16, 2011 0:42:37 GMT 8
We want to bring out the limitation to our cars. What's the use of getting a performance car. Be realistic, my friend. We don't earn $10000per month. That's why u did QF too, right? let get to basis if you have the moeny will you drive a Korea car come on make cent rite. so please don't talk about performance car. and what our car can be performance.
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Post by guardian on Jan 16, 2011 9:14:26 GMT 8
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Post by spyder8850 on Jan 16, 2011 12:09:46 GMT 8
Bro joey,
I understood the inferiority of the PB. But what i meant was, ur QF mapping are based on ur research/trial and error or a template which u obtained from korea...
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Post by Harmony Motor on Jan 16, 2011 18:23:14 GMT 8
Bro joey, I understood the inferiority of the PB. But what i meant was, ur QF mapping are based on ur research/trial and error or a template which u obtained from korea... No, I do all tuning local. All final data used will be based on local climate and fuel quality. I also understand our road and traffic condition. Most importantly, I am a Singaporean and I understand Singapore Drivers!
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Post by tanjm348 on Jan 17, 2011 12:37:42 GMT 8
So bro joey, Can u tell us a bit on the QF mapping?! What is it based on(mapping)? Research? Or root to an existing mapping? You have 8 - 16 maps in most piggyback. You must also understand how a PB works. It is a signal interceptor/modifier. It still depends mostly on the decision of the ECU and disregard lots of conditions and logic of the original ECU. The original ECU comes with 2 areas: Computing Logics and Data. We only can modify the data section. The data sections consists more than 300 maps. For all different purposes. We don't touch all of them. If we go back to the basic engine, to make power, we tweet with the Air/Fuel Ratio and the Ignition Timing. That is the basic since the Caburettor time. Modern engine has CVVT, launch control, etc. These are more difficult things to do. All these are in the Original ECU and as long as you have the information and knowledge, you can play with them. We are not a car manufacturing country, that is why we find it difficult to gather information on the logic of the Engine Management. For Japanese and European, they are fully informed and thus they switch to this technology instantly. However, we are not too behind the world in OEP. I have achieved some remarkable result as well for the first to crack Mitsubishi Colt Version R and Lancer CS5 1.8 Turbo. I can do Nissan, Suzuki and Mazda. Fourth Country in the world after Japan, Korea and USA. Now in the midst of cracking Honda, will be the 4th too. Hi Joey, Sorry. I may have missed the reply. But what exactly are u changing in the QF. A/F Maps? Sensor readings? By the way, ECU don't "learn"...no commerical computer has "AI" to learn anything, its still in development. However computers are now based on multi systems feedback to adapt and adjust back to its orginal pre-program settings..ie Fuzzy-Logic systems. So if u change something another sensor will pick it up, inform the ECU which which tries to conpensate and go back to stock. Unless you rewrite the programming or trick all the necessary sensors across all rpm bandwidth. There's no outright benefit. Because it will always revert back to your A/F ratio of 14.3:1
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