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Post by Passerby on Apr 15, 2010 16:41:35 GMT 8
Dear forumers,
Its every member duty to ensure a wonderful experience in selling and buying personal items in the Market Place, which explains why it is a free service for all. There are many friends who have benefited from this service, and there are also some negative experiences too.
It has come to attention that the forum is experiencing an escalating number of negative experience in trading.
As a fellow KIA forum member, we will require every single individual to practice good trading etiquette. That includes:
- Placing prices at appropriate 2nd hand prices
- Minimal negotiation price gap
- no lowballing of prices before and during transactions
- Properly stating prices to trade before meeting
- Adhering to trading timing
- Adhering to the laws of trade (no spoilt products)
All members are stongly encouraged to have a proper conduct as an adult in the forum. This is to ensure that KIA forum remains as one of a healthy trading platform for all automobile users in Singapore.
Thank you very much for your attention to this. Enjoy your shopping in here!
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* Quick note from SKC Rules & Regulation:
2. The forum and its Administrator/Moderators will not be liable for transactions of any kind between buyers and sellers
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Post by decentboi on Apr 15, 2010 16:52:07 GMT 8
i support ur statement. Pilots are really  Low Ballers upon meetup even  |
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Post by decentboi on Apr 15, 2010 21:58:50 GMT 8
Be a man of ur word. Agreed sales price liao, during transaction time slash price?
Hmm machiam like going market lelong like that.
Not professional leh.
I feel for TS..
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Post by r1szuan on Apr 16, 2010 1:10:07 GMT 8
this is so normal.. cheap already and still want cheaper. Guess have to live with it.
if can get that cheap why not buy it from the place instead of dealing on the internet..
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Post by BiBi on Apr 16, 2010 10:49:05 GMT 8
It is a part negotiation, the person have made the effort to go and meet you! Have u tried to negotiate for a lower price with a sale person even the prices is stated?
I guess it is part and parcel of buying and selling. Take it with a pnch of salt.
Just my $0.02.
Cheers Bros and Sista.
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Post by nakshire on Apr 16, 2010 12:37:23 GMT 8
bro evian, i think he is saying that the buyer continues to slash the prices at meet up even though the stated price was already fixed prior before meet up.
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Post by Passerby on Apr 16, 2010 14:36:34 GMT 8
yes bro nakshire my point of view. thanks bro. Mindbox33 maybe can use bro nakshire post n make it sticky in this sales thread
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Post by tommythk on Apr 16, 2010 20:09:52 GMT 8
Hmmm...
Just to share my personal point of view to all buyer and seller in forums regarding our TS topic:-
There are a few reasons for a buyer to confirm the dealing price and slash price after meet up:-
- Buyer tried his best to get as cheap as possible which didn't act steady (reason behind need to ask buyer)
- Buyer might found another same item with same condition but at lower price before meet up but after confirm the deal, buyer (himself) found that is not good to withdraw the deal so he try his luck to slash the price to make it equivalent or lower then another seller's offer. well, this is another not steady way from buyer too. It's better for buyer to withdraw the deal before meet up to allow other potential buyer to get the item from seller.
- Buyer found the dealing item's condition is not really good/close to what seller described during negotiation period (usually sale thread without photo or blur image). so buyer raise their concern and slash the price. If this is the case, imho, further negotiation is allow provided seller agree with buyer's concern and also agree for further deduction for the original price to deal.
I noticed majority of the seller prefer buyer to do self-collection. This is one of the good method to ensure:-
- If buyer back out/pilot, seller still at home and straight away online an repost his sales.
- If buyer slash price, just stop deal with buyer and go back (by walk/lift i suppose) and repost his sales.
Of course if buyer don't wish to do self-collection and request to meet up at buyer convenient place, seller suppose to request a certain amount of deposit (TT with no refund type) to ensure he's a sincere buyer. So if meet up and buyer insist look for further discount with no valid reason, seller got the right not to deal and no refund to buyer of coz depends on seller whether wanna refund or not lah. So in this cse, seller maybe lost a potential buyer but a certain amount of deposit will treat as his consolation/transportation fee and time.
To blingbling,
"one kind of rice feed 100 kinds of ppl" (in hokkien). Don't get angry or uncomfortable with those not steady buyer, it doesn't worth it. Sometimes we need to expect the unexpected and of course we must learn from it, neither how to avoid or how to handle the situation next time. hope the above little method may helps in ur future sales.
Wish all of u have a Happy Weekend ahead~!
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Post by Passerby on Apr 16, 2010 20:43:33 GMT 8
Hmmm... Just to share my personal point of view to all buyer and seller in forums regarding our TS topic:- There are a few reasons for a buyer to confirm the dealing price and slash price after meet up:- - Buyer tried his best to get as cheap as possible which didn't act steady (reason behind need to ask buyer) - Buyer might found another same item with same condition but at lower price before meet up but after confirm the deal, buyer (himself) found that is not good to withdraw the deal so he try his luck to slash the price to make it equivalent or lower then another seller's offer. well, this is another not steady way from buyer too. It's better for buyer to withdraw the deal before meet up to allow other potential buyer to get the item from seller. - Buyer found the dealing item's condition is not really good/close to what seller described during negotiation period (usually sale thread without photo or blur image). so buyer raise their concern and slash the price. If this is the case, imho, further negotiation is allow provided seller agree with buyer's concern and also agree for further deduction for the original price to deal. I noticed majority of the seller prefer buyer to do self-collection. This is one of the good method to ensure:- - If buyer back out/pilot, seller still at home and straight away online an repost his sales. - If buyer slash price, just stop deal with buyer and go back (by walk/lift i suppose) and repost his sales. Of course if buyer don't wish to do self-collection and request to meet up at buyer convenient place, seller suppose to request a certain amount of deposit (TT with no refund type) to ensure he's a sincere buyer. So if meet up and buyer insist look for further discount with no valid reason, seller got the right not to deal and no refund to buyer of coz depends on seller whether wanna refund or not lah. So in this cse, seller maybe lost a potential buyer but a certain amount of deposit will treat as his consolation/transportation fee and time. To blingbling, "one kind of rice feed 100 kinds of ppl" (in hokkien). Don't get angry or uncomfortable with those not steady buyer, it doesn't worth it. Sometimes we need to expect the unexpected and of course we must learn from it, neither how to avoid or how to handle the situation next time. hope the above little method may helps in ur future sales. Wish all of u have a Happy Weekend ahead~! no la bro.not fed up with all this ppl but its really going to bring down the name of SKC. its unfair to many members. just one black sheep that kill everyone. |
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Post by tommythk on Apr 17, 2010 9:44:16 GMT 8
Sometimes is hard to known who is the black sheep imho. let me put an example here... a person who own a car (kia, hyundai, honda, toyota or any brand of car) and known how to surf online and buy 2nd hand stuff for his car. Happen that this person character is those price chopper even after confirm and meet up also wanna slash price type. and so co-incident that SKC automotive used items are what this person looking for. now he gonna deal with one of the seller called blingbling, some nice item he's selling. What he need to do is register a new user in SKC, find ur contact and pm/sms u for negotiation. and then the thing is goes like what u experienced. from here we know that this black sheep could be came from anywhere. And his objective is just to get the item as cheap as possible. What I trying to say is since buyer are uncontrol/unpredictable, as a seller, we need to setup a rule or principle which can stillsell our item at the same time filter or prevent those problematic buyer. just my 2 cents  |
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Post by Rover *White Angel™* on Apr 19, 2010 17:03:25 GMT 8
Hmmmm... if say for example, someone (A) indicated that he/she is interested in the sales item but will contact seller if wanna deal. In this scenario the seller (based on what A said above) proceed to indicate on his own that the item is reserved by A, and subsequently A didnt further indicate that he/she wants the item, who's fault izzit den? Is this considered as bad buyer or black sheep with bad etiquette?  |
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Post by backlash *RockStar* on Apr 19, 2010 19:16:04 GMT 8
Hmmmm... if say for example, someone (A) indicated that he/she is interested in the sales item but will contact seller if wanna deal. In this scenario the seller (based on what A said above) proceed to indicate on his own that the item is reserved by A, and subsequently A didnt further indicate that he/she wants the item, who's fault izzit den? Is this considered as bad buyer or black sheep with bad etiquette? In this case, the seller is assuming that "A" has confirm the deal where in the first place, "A" has only express interest in the item without confirmation. The scenario above is a classic case of jumping the gun or in another words " Making An ASS OF U and ME" (Assume). It always happens, this is part and parcel of life. If this deal does not fall through, just look for another buyer. If the seller is so desperate to let go his stuff, would there be something wrong with what he is selling ? And a kind advise to all potential buyers, next time should you be interested in an item being put up for sale. Just call or SMS to ask about pricing. Do not give statement like " I m Interested and Will call to confirm". This will mislead the other party and cause alot of unneccessary problems for both parties should the deal not fall through. Last GOLDEN RULE : " Never ASSUME" B'cos in the end You and ME will be an ASS. |
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Post by Rover *White Angel™* on Apr 19, 2010 21:15:39 GMT 8
Hmmmm... if say for example, someone (A) indicated that he/she is interested in the sales item but will contact seller if wanna deal. In this scenario the seller (based on what A said above) proceed to indicate on his own that the item is reserved by A, and subsequently A didnt further indicate that he/she wants the item, who's fault izzit den? Is this considered as bad buyer or black sheep with bad etiquette? In this case, the seller is assuming that "A" has confirm the deal where in the first place, "A" has only express interest in the item without confirmation. The scenario above is a classic case of jumping the gun or in another words " Making An ASS OF U and ME" (Assume). It always happens, this is part and parcel of life. If this deal does not fall through, just look for another buyer. If the seller is so desperate to let go his stuff, would there be something wrong with what he is selling ? And a kind advise to all potential buyers, next time should you be interested in an item being put up for sale. Just call or SMS to ask about pricing. Do not give statement like " I m Interested and Will call to confirm". This will mislead the other party and cause alot of unneccessary problems for both parties should the deal not fall through. Last GOLDEN RULE : " Never ASSUME" B'cos in the end You and ME will be an ASS. Oh... i see... |
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Post by Rover *White Angel™* on Apr 20, 2010 14:25:20 GMT 8
Well, in any case, i would reckon tat it shld be made clear on how a deal was 'foiled' whenever there's any displeasure. So tat readers are clear of 'wat went wrong'.
Cheers.
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Post by tommythk on Apr 21, 2010 16:45:40 GMT 8
Hmmmm... if say for example, someone (A) indicated that he/she is interested in the sales item but will contact seller if wanna deal. In this scenario the seller (based on what A said above) proceed to indicate on his own that the item is reserved by A, and subsequently A didnt further indicate that he/she wants the item, who's fault izzit den? Is this considered as bad buyer or black sheep with bad etiquette? I assumed "interested in the sales item but will contact seller if wanna deal" did not meet the criteria to confirm the deal. At least dealed price, time and place to meet up to deal is a minimum requirement. Again is the seller to know what he is assuming. I believe "RESERVED" will only apply to 2 scenarios:- - dealed price, time and place to meet up to deal. - close buddies who are trusted and worth to reserve the sale item for him/her. Just to share my experience, if met this kind of buyer, die die must tell him/her our sale item are still open to other buyer/no reservation for him/her due to no confirmation at the moment. |
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Post by Rover *White Angel™* on Apr 21, 2010 19:48:46 GMT 8
Correct. For me, even when i fall under this category of buyer, i always tell the seller tat i might be keen but will tell the seller tat i'll contact again if i'm confirm buying. I will also always make it a point to tell the seller tat he need not reserve for me and tat he could sell to any potential buyers if prior to my confirmation.
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