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Post by gargoyles002 on May 22, 2011 1:46:36 GMT 8
Hi Bro, i got problem with my Rio the problem is my car have no pick up? i need are reply.....
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Post by nakshire on May 22, 2011 1:51:18 GMT 8
this one ask theredstar. haha he may give u some advice
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Post by theredstar on May 22, 2011 14:15:02 GMT 8
Ask me for what? I give up liao. Just leadfoot all the way. Lol
Bro gargoyle, urs is manual or AT? Mine is AT. My pickup improved after changing to hurricane ss drop in for 0-80. But 80-100 lau hong. Problem was bridged by air charger from nightz Conceptz. Very powderful but I stl dunno the mechanics of it. Effect is much better when going up MSCP. nonid scared roll back!
Hurricane ss almost zero maintenance. Air charger zero maintenance. Good for lazy noobs like me!
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Post by gargoyles002 on May 24, 2011 10:24:58 GMT 8
i use manual....all full sevices done but still no pick at all after i change my Ninja Racing Capsule Air Filter.....
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Post by trinity on May 24, 2011 10:39:04 GMT 8
engine overhaul. go JB put Evo 6 engine. sure settle...
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Post by PaiKIA 072 on May 24, 2011 12:10:20 GMT 8
use back ur stock...see any different if yes u shld knw the ans already. if no...then sad to say...engine may need a check by doctor
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Post by MindBox33 on May 25, 2011 12:23:20 GMT 8
wat do u mean no pick up?
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Post by unocvin on May 25, 2011 13:23:02 GMT 8
if you can, pls eleborate.
your regular workshop have diagnostic OBD2 equipment? It should read abnormalities if sensors are faulty; i.e MAF, injector etc. There may also be some pressure leak in fuel / air system.
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Post by aaur4man on May 25, 2011 21:57:05 GMT 8
given ur question, the most appropriate answer would be bring back to agent.
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Post by canphobia on May 26, 2011 23:11:38 GMT 8
bro theredstar! so u mean if change to hurricane ss and air charger can improve pick up? i driving rio LS auto and the pick up sux lol.
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Post by bluemonster25 on May 28, 2011 11:17:32 GMT 8
Bro,u may want to try to change ur air filter package..I'm using simota..U want get it at 2nd hand?I'm selling..
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Post by theredstar on May 29, 2011 16:19:30 GMT 8
Bro canphobia>> as best as I can remember, my stock set up v weak. As bro Mindbox said to me, it's like running with someone cupping ur mouth, how to breathe? How to run fast?
Then my research and WS narrowed to 2 choices of drop-in, KNN n Hurricane. As mentioned above, i v noob and hurricane is almost maintenance free. So I went with it and no regrets. Air charger made my car v 'powerful', go up MSCP no scared of rolling back. Nonid to off aircon to speed up like last time also.
FC wise is the same, but at least now drive more shiok. Or maybe nakshire explained to me, FC must have improved but sacrificed by my new heavy right foot and aggressive driving. Lol. I'm no engineer and all these are my own lay experience k
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Post by theredstar on May 30, 2011 0:44:54 GMT 8
btw, i am getting greedy and now think the pickup stl not enough. (some bros may say this is the limitation of a heavy body and if i got so much comment, i shld change ride or take out back seats. lol)
but trying to work on a realistic solution and thinking of VS, VSD and Powercharger (from Vim). however, i also not willing to part with more than 100 at time and somemore not very sure about their capabilities.
anyone got surefire value for money mods bo? if not, i think i will channel to aesthetic liao. getting hiao these days. lol
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Post by aaur4man on May 30, 2011 15:20:38 GMT 8
the spark boosters serve to increase the voltage running through the ignition coil for a more powerful spark. However, u need to know what the tolerance of ur ignition coils are. by going above the limit u will wear it out prematurely. it is not a universal device.
why ppl say engine more "powerful" after doing multi-point grounding is due to this factor as well. less leaks, better voltage to the sparks with less ripples. then again it is not more powerful but closer to stock power delivery.
this case i believe the surefire money goes to multi-point copper grounding. an alternative choice would be to upgrade ur spark plugs. i got the car when it was using bosch platinum. i upgraded to bosch IR plat, then finally to brisk. both changes do see improvement in power(actually combustion).
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Post by theredstar on May 30, 2011 15:44:24 GMT 8
thx bro aaurd4man, ur replies are always very informative! are you an engineer or serious hobbyist?
I thought of grounding before but they told me more for older cars (>3yrs)... and someone told me nowadays all cars are grounded(?)
i already upgraded my sparkplug to iridium (NGK) but i realised it's more about long lasting than performance rt? no noticeable improvement leh or perhaps once again, i'm taking things for granted. lol
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Post by aaur4man on May 30, 2011 17:31:51 GMT 8
lol im both. i start from the beginning just like everyone else. just that i am more best friend with many others like Google, Howstuffworks and Wiki etc.... ya i work in the engine industry.
i dont know about RIO, but i know getz only has single point grounding. Cerato has more but i remember viewing it as incomplete as well.
cars are all grounded but the material used may have oxidation over time. also grounding cable needs to be thick enough for the return path. single grounding is definitely not as effective compared to multi-point grounding. also if u pay for a job , copper material is used for better conduction.
this is a list of things i did for total pickup improvement: 1) Cold air intake with aftermarket drop in filter (most open pod setups may lose out on pickup) 2) 5w30 engine oil (dont ask me which, I am an Amsoil fanboy) 3) i ended up with the best Brisk Silver Premium. I know most makes have value to premium range. Why not try Bosch IR Plat (they are graded best sparkies maker for a certain year) 4) ECU Reset after u do all of that. It will help on fuel consumption as well. 5) both my current and previous car work better on lower RON after going with better oil and silver plugs. so i can happily drink RON 95 instead of V power everytime i want mojo on the road. in fact higher ron may cause jerks
what im intending to do for myself is to downsize rims. if u were greedy and went for larger rims for stability, this is where u pay it all off.
oh ya if u got GOOD money, go for a total ECU Remap! it sure works well and improves on balance of fuel consumption and power delivery.
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Post by picanyeo on May 31, 2011 12:07:10 GMT 8
Hmm.. Your setup is similar to my previous setup. The same items are UR strut bar, SJ-CAI. Difference is aftermarket filter (I'm using whitesnail's ICE filter), heatshield airbox, NGK iridium plugs and ECU QF.
My setup gives good low-mid end torque and aids in accelerating in slow traffic. I think you feel the same too. Yours is quite a nice setup IMO. Good money spent.
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Post by aaur4man on May 31, 2011 13:12:42 GMT 8
now u on risk right?
ya iridium gives a good balance between conductivity and durability. but nothing gives enough power like silver does. i mean 1.26tonnes can roll on first 3 gears by just clutching in. even after warming up and the idling rpm lowers to normal.
i dont have problem accelerating in slow traffic. i understand picanto has heat issues on start/stop traffic due to engine bay size. and after all im still manual, not so jialat lol.
i been itching to try a picanto manual(esp a RISKed one) but haven got the chance to....my corlick nobody drive picanto.
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Post by picanyeo on May 31, 2011 13:44:57 GMT 8
Yup.. I agree with you as I read silver has the best conductivity out of the 3 - copper, iridium and silver. Just that the lifespan is short. Silver is 30K, copper 40K and iridium 60K. So it's a trade off for durability. For pple yearning for power, this will not be an issue. Afterall, spark plugs are consumables, just like air filter.
For the loss in power during start stop traffic, can't do anything about it since it's the size of the engine bay. As you mentioned, this problem will be obvious for AT rides.
SJ-CAI and RISK worked on different principles. But both are tested and proven setups.
Next time shall try silver plugs and see how's the response.. : )
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Post by theredstar on May 31, 2011 13:49:09 GMT 8
I also on UR strut. Handling improved a lot. My WS ask me don't waste money on CAI n open pod. But I see many bros swear by the former. Auto really no pt open pod. Funny thing is Jason also told me I family man nonid too performance so don't need ICE filter. Very honest man.
I v keen on grounding now. Any particular brands/ material/ thickness/ parts to ground? I heard horror stories of WS anyhow ground. Non conductor also ground!
I wanna try 5w30 also but CnC say they only carry and use 5w40 and got surcharge if I bring my own.... Troublesome. But 5w30 is safe until a certain mileage rt? Hope to try after my warranty run out and stl within safe mileage
ECU reset sounds v daunting. Remove this, step on that... Lather, rinse, repeat. Lol
Btw bro gargoyle, sorry to hijack ur thread. Hope ur pick up problem identified Liao? Saw u post on selling the capsule!
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Post by aaur4man on May 31, 2011 13:57:51 GMT 8
Jason did proper grounding for my fren's getz. see liao poison best cable would be properly insulated silver cables. if not all standard copper lor. thick enough can liao. there are standard parts to ground but i didnt go so deep in. Jason knows. ECU reset simply remove one terminal off the battery wait for 5-10mins can liao what. Ur electronic settings will all reset. i will do 5w30 all the way. but i will insist on using good and proven longtime oil like amsoil , redline or liquimoly. however it is up to individual. if u think carlube is cheap and good just do it. hey, our 2.0L counterparts recommend using 5w20, hows that for concern.
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Post by aaur4man on May 31, 2011 13:59:02 GMT 8
Yup.. I agree with you as I read silver has the best conductivity out of the 3 - copper, iridium and silver. Just that the lifespan is short. Silver is 30K, copper 40K and iridium 60K. So it's a trade off for durability. For pple yearning for power, this will not be an issue. Afterall, spark plugs are consumables, just like air filter. For the loss in power during start stop traffic, can't do anything about it since it's the size of the engine bay. As you mentioned, this problem will be obvious for AT rides. SJ-CAI and RISK worked on different principles. But both are tested and proven setups. Next time shall try silver plugs and see how's the response.. : ) if silver sparkies give me additional power for the same FC, hey its already paid itself off plus i dont get it locally so its still affordable.
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Post by picanyeo on May 31, 2011 14:23:27 GMT 8
I also on UR strut. Handling improved a lot. My WS ask me don't waste money on CAI n open pod. But I see many bros swear by the former. Auto really no pt open pod. Funny thing is Jason also told me I family man nonid too performance so don't need ICE filter. Very honest man. I v keen on grounding now. Any particular brands/ material/ thickness/ parts to ground? I heard horror stories of WS anyhow ground. Non conductor also ground! I wanna try 5w30 also but CnC say they only carry and use 5w40 and got surcharge if I bring my own.... Troublesome. But 5w30 is safe until a certain mileage rt? Hope to try after my warranty run out and stl within safe mileage ECU reset sounds v daunting. Remove this, step on that... Lather, rinse, repeat. Lol Btw bro gargoyle, sorry to hijack ur thread. Hope ur pick up problem identified Liao? Saw u post on selling the capsule! ECU reset can actually be done by removing the 2 ECU fuse in the fuse box. There's a certain procedure for this. In this way, your radio and clock won't be reset and don't need tools as well. However, it's up to individual. Some don't think this may work. For auto, open pod will kill off the low end, but increase your mid-high end. However, no low end = low driveability. ECU reset would be useless in this case as the fuel mapping is still there. What you may feel is at lower rpms, you press the pedal, but the car won't respond well. The engine will sound different. Even if you press alot for the pedal, it doesn't solve the problem. It's until a certain point, for eg. 2.5rpm, then the car responds well. Why the low end suffer is because of incorrect a/f ratio. The only way is to change the a/f ratio so that it matches the correct air intake from the open pod. For grounding, look for whitesnail. 8pts and neat job done. No wires dangling around the engine bay.
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Post by picanyeo on May 31, 2011 14:30:40 GMT 8
Why some other pple like open pod is also because of its intake sound. Some label this as 'noise' while some pple like it as much as they like music.
For family man, this would be label as noise because it affects the cabin noise level as well..
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Post by theredstar on May 31, 2011 16:29:50 GMT 8
5w20?! use water? lol
i also keen to let Jason ground but the thought of going down just to ground like very lazy leh. i know he will do a swee swee job but after bro aaur4man's review, i know i MUST let him do liao. lol
i like the vroom vroom noise but dun like the thought of losing my already low low-end!
back to topic, i read before pple change lighter rims also got effect on pick-up leh. this i keen to explore also since i need to change tires soon but is quite big ticket hor? and currently my car is very noisy due to road noise... any quiet tires to recommended? (this post is getting bao ga liao liao. lol)
question: road noise and engine noise... got diff? i'm pretty sure now mine is road noise and it's very irritating cos i need to on my music loud loud when i on the highway then when i exit, suddenly very jarring to the ear....
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