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Post by burnicks on Jan 19, 2011 17:57:56 GMT 8
Hi guys,
Wondering if a drop-in filter with CAI is effective for a Forte 1.6L (M). I understand that it's best for open-pod with CAI, but is CAI really needed for drop-in? And if I really do go with drop-in, how effective can the CAI be? Would appreciate your kind advice.
Thanks.
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Post by mutantyep on Jan 19, 2011 18:19:37 GMT 8
I just did CAI with drop in. Inside already K&N filter. Kia Rio 1.6 Auto. Very slight differences for low to mid end. Slight differences for high-end. Should be most effective only when stuck in hot weather jam.
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Post by Lao Beng on Jan 20, 2011 9:42:23 GMT 8
if using open pod is good but not good for forte due to once the engine is hot. Hot air will suck in even by using the CAI to add on no help at all. Just use drop in will do. And for our member we did a test before. (A) car drop in (B) open-pod with CAI both car go for 4 round of sprint race in Pasir Gudang Nite Sprint end up (A) car getting wrose on the pick up after the frist run.
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Post by burnicks on Jan 20, 2011 15:36:04 GMT 8
if using open pod is good but not good for forte due to once the engine is hot. Hot air will suck in even by using the CAI to add on no help at all. Just use drop in will do. And for our member we did a test before. (A) car drop in (B) open-pod with CAI both car go for 4 round of sprint race in Pasir Gudang Nite Sprint end up (A) car getting wrose on the pick up after the frist run. you mean drop-in filter won't be as good in terms of performance? but what about FC? which will eat more into your FC, drop-in or open pod? I guess to solve the hot air, perhaps you can position the CAI pipe in a more strategic place? I just did CAI with drop in. Inside already K&N filter. Kia Rio 1.6 Auto. Very slight differences for low to mid end. Slight differences for high-end. Should be most effective only when stuck in hot weather jam. what about FC bro? I know that you can't achieve both performance and economy at the same time. but to balance out, i thought doing a drop-in with CAI can hopefully help with both. would open pod and CAI be more effective?
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Post by dllatimer on Jan 20, 2011 16:24:43 GMT 8
yours is manual or auto???
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Post by burnicks on Jan 20, 2011 21:14:44 GMT 8
yours is manual or auto??? 1.6L Manual.
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Post by Lao Beng on Jan 21, 2011 8:51:02 GMT 8
if using open pod is good but not good for forte due to once the engine is hot. Hot air will suck in even by using the CAI to add on no help at all. Just use drop in will do. And for our member we did a test before. (A) car drop in (B) open-pod with CAI both car go for 4 round of sprint race in Pasir Gudang Nite Sprint end up (A) car getting wrose on the pick up after the frist run. you mean drop-in filter won't be as good in terms of performance? but what about FC? which will eat more into your FC, drop-in or open pod? I guess to solve the hot air, perhaps you can position the CAI pipe in a more strategic place? I just did CAI with drop in. Inside already K&N filter. Kia Rio 1.6 Auto. Very slight differences for low to mid end. Slight differences for high-end. Should be most effective only when stuck in hot weather jam. what about FC bro? I know that you can't achieve both performance and economy at the same time. but to balance out, i thought doing a drop-in with CAI can hopefully help with both. would open pod and CAI be more effective? you get all wrong, the air filter box in the car set up is already CAI so you just buy a drop in filter can liao. But if you are going for the open pod + CAI what I can say no use, what can you get 20BHP remember our car is just a normal car. Not turbo or v-tec nor racing engine. Some time I think back the ppl out there spend ton of money to just put open pod CAI end up get nothing back.
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Post by themostextreme on Jan 21, 2011 9:08:16 GMT 8
Good advice Lao beng - especially you mentioned "our stock air-box is already like CAI". Unfortunately most ppl don't really understand what is the meaning of CAI. They always think that CAI means "open-pod" which is not true.
It's good that you have tested out both - open pod and drop-in. And you have noticed and experienced it correctly that drop-in serves better performance than open-pod. Unfortunately till today, there are ppl who swear dat open pod is better (especially on high-end). The burning question here is - are these ppl travelling constantly and always on 160km/hr & above on S'pore road??? Whao liao...vomit blood lah............
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Post by aaur4man on Jan 22, 2011 0:42:29 GMT 8
i thought CAI involves insulating the airbox? at least thats the CAI done for my drop in and it works during hot weather, not much hp loss
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Post by burnicks on Jan 22, 2011 1:07:04 GMT 8
thanks guys for giving those advice. i wasn't really thinking on the performance side, cause singapore you can't really go that fast either. was more on the fuel economy. hoping the set-up can do some help.
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Post by dllatimer on Jan 22, 2011 10:35:12 GMT 8
Just stick to drop in....open pod...fc may suffers a little
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Post by guardian on Jan 22, 2011 23:43:08 GMT 8
Unless the car with a open pod is tuned with an aftermarket exo on the suitable A/F ratio. Still can see improvement.
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Post by Lao Beng on Jan 22, 2011 23:54:38 GMT 8
Good advice Lao beng - especially you mentioned "our stock air-box is already like CAI". Unfortunately most ppl don't really understand what is the meaning of CAI. They always think that CAI means "open-pod" which is not true. It's good that you have tested out both - open pod and drop-in. And you have noticed and experienced it correctly that drop-in serves better performance than open-pod. Unfortunately till today, there are ppl who swear dat open pod is better (especially on high-end). The burning question here is - are these ppl travelling constantly and always on 160km/hr & above on S'pore road??? Whao liao...vomit blood lah............ Bro Thanks, on the racing is approximate 400m to 600m and end up the car with drop in filter overtaking 2 car lenght then the open pod filter one. After few reound open pod getting more worse because 3 car lenght. ha ha ha
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Post by redforte90 on Jan 30, 2011 23:36:22 GMT 8
So are u guys saying for our cerato forte, its better to just stick to drop in filter? which is better? hurricane or knn? im tinking of chnging, but i oso heard of the open pod n norm of chnging to open pod in manual cars.. but oso heard our car if chnge open pod, warranty void??
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Post by Lao Beng on Jan 31, 2011 9:09:20 GMT 8
So are u guys saying for our cerato forte, its better to just stick to drop in filter? which is better? hurricane or knn? im tinking of chnging, but i oso heard of the open pod n norm of chnging to open pod in manual cars.. but oso heard our car if chnge open pod, warranty void?? KNN will be better, hurricane can't filter the dirt and end up thorttle will having problem.
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Post by themostextreme on Feb 1, 2011 14:13:49 GMT 8
So are u guys saying for our cerato forte, its better to just stick to drop in filter? which is better? hurricane or knn? im tinking of chnging, but i oso heard of the open pod n norm of chnging to open pod in manual cars.. but oso heard our car if chnge open pod, warranty void?? KNN will be better, hurricane can't filter the dirt and end up thorttle will having problem. alright man!!!! That's not wrong man!!!!
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Post by redforte90 on Feb 2, 2011 0:06:06 GMT 8
as for open pod do u guys suggest for our ride? im just considering options.. but i oso heard of warranty void.. which a biggest nono factor haha
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Post by mutantyep on Feb 18, 2011 21:09:50 GMT 8
I just did CAI with drop in. Inside already K&N filter. Kia Rio 1.6 Auto. Very slight differences for low to mid end. Slight differences for high-end. Should be most effective only when stuck in hot weather jam. what about FC bro? I know that you can't achieve both performance and economy at the same time. but to balance out, i thought doing a drop-in with CAI can hopefully help with both. would open pod and CAI be more effective?[/quote] My FC now slightly worsen. About 0.5km lesser per litre. Maybe also coz I install D1Spec VSDIV Ignition booster at the same time.
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