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Post by SkyRay on Feb 9, 2006 8:19:52 GMT 8
No problem... just sharing info to fellow SKCarens.... Thanks skyray for the FC of so many different makes =) BTW, after observing the various discussions on Fuel economy gadgets over SKC forum & fellow friends hearsay, if I may..., comment on these FC gadget... It seems to me that there is not a 'one sure' gadget that will improve FC on everybody's ride... it a lot depends on driving habits, right-leg-disciplinary, & to a certain extent - the vehicle itself... For example, 1. 'Superione' seems to work wonder for Jon170, & yet I have heard that it didn;t work on others... 2. Nic seems to have good experience with the 'Dynojet', & I believe he does... but it seems that only Nic is using it, couldn;t get any 2nd opinion... 3. Some sweared that 'RMK twin air-intake' works (some people even installed 2 sets)... but i didn't find significant FC improvement on my baby... only my brake efficiency improved significantly... 4. The recently group-buy of 'FuelCat' (similar to Brouquet)... RedSchoolbus (aka flying dumbo...) didn;t find any great improvement after installation. But it seems to work for me, I'm able to travel extra 20-40km per tank after i installed mine... 5. I've also installed 2 sets of fuel-magnets (inherited from my first car, thro' my second, & now on my current carens)... don;t feel there was any significant savings. kept it there bec' since already bought it... so installed lor.... I remembered some one told me this, you will probably have to make an intelligent study/ comparison, make a decision to install one gadget, monitor its effect/s... then conclude... if its a good buy.. good for you... if it doesn;t work.... consider it as a lesson & experience learned...
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Post by carensncarens on Feb 9, 2006 8:37:48 GMT 8
hey thanks for that very useful and analytical reply! i learnt a lot
I cant help but agree with u tat the only way to know is do extensive research before committing into one; and even so, it still depends on many factors/elements such tat the effect might not be felt at all. Well, seems like i'm willing to learn a lesson from this purchase. Never try never know right =)
Regards Carens!!!
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Post by carensncarens on Feb 9, 2006 8:50:34 GMT 8
and one more thing...
I've decided on superione ST555. any idea where can i get it at a good price with free installation? and how much?
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Post by SkyRay on Feb 9, 2006 9:11:54 GMT 8
Do keep us updated if you installed your Superione... Then we can have a better/ intelligent study of theis Superione gadget... Cheers! and one more thing... I've decided on superione ST555. any idea where can i get it at a good price with free installation? and how much?
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Post by carensncarens on Feb 9, 2006 9:20:53 GMT 8
was quoted $300 for ST555 from linkzone (i tink) with free installation
any comments?
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Post by carensncarens on Feb 9, 2006 9:22:15 GMT 8
wah!!! u all reply so fast? my last message was redundant then! haha thanks i'll call stanley now
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Post by Nic on Feb 9, 2006 10:06:11 GMT 8
I do agree with Sky Ray....also notice something which I dunno yet want to learn....that is the E.C.U. I heard that after installation of these gadgets (be it DynoJet, Superione), it may work wonders initially for your car, however, after some time, when the E.C.U. gets used to these gadgets, your car comes back to square one ....so I am now considering the most expensive mod for my car.....either E.C.U. or Uni-Chip..... Bro RedSchoolBus, if u read this, care to explain a bit? Really like to learn more about E.C.U. Tks. No problem... just sharing info to fellow SKCarens.... Thanks skyray for the FC of so many different makes =) BTW, after observing the various discussions on Fuel economy gadgets over SKC forum & fellow friends hearsay, if I may..., comment on these FC gadget... It seems to me that there is not a 'one sure' gadget that will improve FC on everybody's ride... it a lot depends on driving habits, right-leg-disciplinary, & to a certain extent - the vehicle itself... For example, 1. 'Superione' seems to work wonder for Jon170, & yet I have heard that it didn;t work on others... 2. Nic seems to have good experience with the 'Dynojet', & I believe he does... but it seems that only Nic is using it, couldn;t get any 2nd opinion... 3. Some sweared that 'RMK twin air-intake' works (some people even installed 2 sets)... but i didn't find significant FC improvement on my baby... only my brake efficiency improved significantly... 4. The recently group-buy of 'FuelCat' (similar to Brouquet)... RedSchoolbus (aka flying dumbo...) didn;t find any great improvement after installation. But it seems to work for me, I'm able to travel extra 20-40km per tank after i installed mine... 5. I've also installed 2 sets of fuel-magnets (inherited from my first car, thro' my second, & now on my current carens)... don;t feel there was any significant savings. kept it there bec' since already bought it... so installed lor.... I remembered some one told me this, you will probably have to make an intelligent study/ comparison, make a decision to install one gadget, monitor its effect/s... then conclude... if its a good buy.. good for you... if it doesn;t work.... consider it as a lesson & experience learned...
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Post by SkyRay on Feb 9, 2006 10:41:45 GMT 8
Yup... I read this ECU thingy somewhere too... after some time our onboard ECU will re-learn & adapt itself to the new conditions altered by our add-on gadget/s... then it will be back to square one...
Someone suggested to remove/ turn-off these gadget/s periodically, to reset the ECU.. then the gadget's benefits can be back again...
Don;t know how true...
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Post by TohTo on Feb 9, 2006 11:28:22 GMT 8
Hi Bros,
I am also considering the ECU programming. But so far seems that only Redschoolbus had did it. Not sure how effective it is after a few months he re-program. Maybe if there is more Carens owner interested, we can get a group and bargain for a better price.
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Post by SkyRay on Feb 9, 2006 12:24:39 GMT 8
I can consider if the price is reasonable.... Hi Bros, I am also considering the ECU P*. But so far seems that only Redschoolbus had did it. Not sure how effective it is after a few months he re-program. Maybe if there is more Carens owner interested, we can get a group and bargain for a better price.
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Post by Nic on Feb 9, 2006 16:38:53 GMT 8
quick flash starts at $380......better start saving now
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Post by SkyRay on Feb 9, 2006 18:13:45 GMT 8
but quick flash is only good for stock rides rite? we all our add-on gadget, don;t it need to be re-tuned???
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Post by Nic on Feb 9, 2006 19:25:56 GMT 8
seen another thread in this forum, minor mods like ours, quick flash will do leh...... but quick flash is only good for stock rides rite? we all our add-on gadget, don;t it need to be re-tuned???
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Post by redschoolbus on Feb 9, 2006 22:38:36 GMT 8
Nic is rite. most of our so called mods are considered minor. major mods which would need full data log to be effective, these mods would be such as 4-1 extractor & exhaust, high flow cat, open pod, fuel rail, BBTB, light weight flywheel, etc.. The quick flash addresses mainly the fuel and air mixture ratio for which our stock program is too rich for our local fuel quality.
For RedSchoolBus, the immediate effect is responsiveness and pick-up. How do you think we beat the picanto during the last Kia Drag Nite? That in itself is good enuf for me as I know I have a heavy right foot. Maybe for others, it may also translate to better FC. I am just enjoying what I've been deprived off the last two years driving the RedSchoolBus, good engine response.
Another note: if you do go for it, be prepared to take out those twin air intake such as superione, e68 and dynojet. you may want to put them on sale in this forum or e-bay. albeit, reduce your $ losses.
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Post by SkyRay on Feb 10, 2006 7:35:28 GMT 8
Why need to remove these stuffs? Can elaborate further??? Tks... Another note: if you do go for it, be prepared to take out those twin air intake such as superione, e68 and dynojet. you may want to put them on sale in this forum or e-bay. albeit, reduce your $ losses.
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Post by carensncarens on Feb 10, 2006 8:53:21 GMT 8
May i sidetrack a bit? anyone knows where to purchase the CVVT sticker tag to be pasted behind the car?
from cycle n carriage or kia workshop (is there one?)
also, do u guys service ur car outside or with the agent? servicing with agent gives me peace of mind albeit higher cost.
thanks!
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Post by SkyRay on Feb 10, 2006 10:15:46 GMT 8
If you find the sticker, can let me know also... I've been looking for it.... May i sidetrack a bit? anyone knows where to purchase the CVVT sticker tag to be pasted behind the car? from cycle n carriage or kia workshop (is there one?) also, do u guys service ur car outside or with the agent? servicing with agent gives me peace of mind albeit higher cost. thanks! If i'm not wrong, most SKCarens here service outside...
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Post by santarene on Feb 11, 2006 1:39:48 GMT 8
Hi, how much do u guys spend on fuel on average mthly? Sorrie, coz i dun really understand abt the FC thingy....kinda confusing to me......thank you beri muchie!
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Post by redschoolbus on Feb 11, 2006 16:16:05 GMT 8
Hi Santarene, Welcome.
Mine has got the worst FC (very bad, really drink alot one). My petrol bill a month is something between $450 to $550. I travel about 70 to 90 km a day (going to work and back), more if I go out meet client or have outside jobs to take care of.
Easier to say that if I fill up the car from when the fuel empty idicator lights up to full (around 45 litres) I can do about 320km before filling her up again. That will work out to 320km divided by 45 litres = 7.11 km per litres. Better FC means that you could clock more kilometers with the same amount of petrol. So say if you can clock 450km before refilling with say 45 litres of petrol, it will work out to 10km per litre. (suppose to be what the carens specs indicated before I bought my carens, apparently not so true)
For the monthly average based on my example, take 90 km per day, in 30 days I would have travelled 90 km X 30 days = 2,700 kms. If my average FC as mentioned previously was 7.11km per litres, I would need to use 2,700 km divided by 7.11 km per litres = 379.75 litres of petrol. Using the cheapest petrol currently at $1.478 per litre, this works out to 379.75 litres x $1.478 = $561.27 a month.
If my FC had been 8 km per litres, my average monthly petrol bill would be about 2,700 km divided by 8km/l multiplied by $1.478 = $498.83
I hope the above is helpful. I'm sure the other brothers do not spent as much on petrol as me since they have better FC.
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Post by redschoolbus on Feb 11, 2006 16:34:21 GMT 8
Why need to remove these stuffs? Can elaborate further??? Tks... Another note: if you do go for it, be prepared to take out those twin air intake such as superione, e68 and dynojet. you may want to put them on sale in this forum or e-bay. albeit, reduce your $ losses. Bro SkyRay, those gadgets actually works on tricking or by passing the ECU sensors. The ECU was programmed to do certain thing based on certain sensor readings. Say based on the sensor detected volume of air that is entering the combution chamber, The ECU would spray a certain amount of fuel for the combution. But using those gadget, the volume of air is actually more than what the ECU knows. It still spray the same amount of fuel to mix in the chamber. The feedback from the lamadar sensor (the exhaust sensor) sends back a reading other than what the ECU is expecting based on the volume of air and the amount of fuel it had injected. ECU gets confused and falls back to some default value. The ECU re-thingy relies alot on reliable sensor feedback to be effective. For that matter, any program also like that. That is why got to remove those gadgets for the ECU Re-thingy. Cheers.
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Post by Nic on Feb 12, 2006 11:31:07 GMT 8
for the detailed yet simple explanation (both for FC and ECU thingy) by RedSchoolBus.....i believe it's benificial to many of us here..... Bro Azmi, r u coming for the next meet up Can i try the your RedSchoolBus for a short ride Really would like to taste the difference....if good, muz really do the ECU coz cannot tahan with the slow pick-up liaoz.......
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Post by santarene on Feb 12, 2006 15:26:16 GMT 8
Mine has got the worst FC (very bad, really drink alot one). My petrol bill a month is something between $450 to $550. quote] Hi Bro RedSchBus, wow, ur petrol cost is really that MUCH! OH dear.....i was just wondering, coz usu according to my cab fare receipt, my trip is abt 10km, so total of 20-25km perday, plus if i go around for leisure....maybe up till 60km perday.....will i also need to pay so much for fuel then.... I have several cars in mind....if possible, do hv a look at my post over here sgkiaclub.proboards48.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=Generalchat2&thread=1139729069 and let me know of ur comments. Btw thanks a great deal for ur explanation on FC, helps me alot n not being so blur nw
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Post by carensncarens on Feb 12, 2006 16:56:58 GMT 8
Hey i'm just wondering.... many of u are running CVVT engine... which is supposed to perform like VVTI.
in tat case, how come those with 2.0litre CVVT still have so high consumption? in fact i tink it should even better those running at 1.8litre (without CVVT).
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Post by SkyRay on Feb 13, 2006 8:00:50 GMT 8
The way i see this is that: 1. it may not necessary means that the 2.0L CVVT will have better FC then its 1.8L counterpart. 2.0L will have better throttle response than the 1.8L, but that also means it drinks slightly more than her 1.8L sister... 2. Furthermore, most of the SKCarens have been driving the 1.8L for quite some time, this could mean that their babies are more run-in than our 2.0L (which were only launched last Mar-Apr...)... 3. My experience with my previous 2 rides showed that my FC were the best after 1.5 t 2 years (don't know how good it will go after that cos' I sold my ride by then...), so with patience .... & proper right-foot-discipline... we should be able to achieve as good a FC as our fellow 1.8L SKCarens... 4. Some of the 2.0L SKCarens are already achieving 11km/L (Jzz1 did that...) furthermore, depending on our different driving habits & traffic conditions, we can't do an intelligent comparision of the FC (esp. that the no. of SKCarens updating their FC is so few only... can;t do a good statistical co-relation...) Hey i'm just wondering.... many of u are running CVVT engine... which is supposed to perform like VVTI. in tat case, how come those with 2.0litre CVVT still have so high consumption? in fact i tink it should even better those running at 1.8litre (without CVVT).
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Post by redschoolbus on Feb 13, 2006 10:42:21 GMT 8
Nic, no problem, can drive my bus till your heart content but must came back the same as you drove off so we could still drive back home later. hehehe... And one other thing, pay for speeding ticket if you are caught by TP doing 250km/h on ECP
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