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Post by lionelstep on Sept 16, 2012 17:10:16 GMT 8
For 50k km service, am very tempeted to select between Amsoil Signature Series 5W20 or X-Gold 5W30 as you are using now. Appreciate to share where I can still buy X-Gold in Singapore ? And my first 100 km experience with Amsoil Signature Series 0W30, I am not experiencing a day-and-night difference which wow wow my feeling at the driver seat, as compared to my previous Petronas Synthium 3000 5W30. The only difference which is noticeable is minized engine noise during idling and constant speed at 80 km/h ~ 90 km/h. And during pick up from Gear 1 changing through all the gears, the rushing sound of the engine is still heard as usual and perhaps only very slightly softer. I would say, would need to wait till longer KM covered before making a conclusion, because even a new Petronas Synthium 5W30 would probably provide the same feel when EO is new. One thing to take note though, the technician who performed the service poured in 1 gallon (=4 quarts = 3.784 L) of Amsoil Signature Series 0W30 into Carens and he said dipstick showed that it was not yet FULL. And it is important to come to full because once engine is started, some oil will fill the EO-Filter, and it will make EO lower further. So I allowed him to open up another 1 quart (946mL) bottle and he poured slightly more into the engine. Oh dear...I think he has poursed ~300mL into it until I stopped him ! Then at home I was checking the dipstick and it showed the level is higher than FULL. I think the more EO added will make the ride heavier because more oil = more friction to engine moving parts too. Wish it will not affect the FC though. And I am reading about this ZF EO Booster from X-Gold, it is a layer of carbon added to the moving surfaces and it reduces friction to almost zero. It improves FC definitely so I am very tempted to try the next oil change. Oh ...... they have been selling in major supermarket here ...... But never heard much review on it. Try MotorUp ...... cheaper..... I use Waxco Engine Treatment RM15.90 @ Tesco. [/quote]
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Post by appletree on Sept 17, 2012 23:34:43 GMT 8
X-Gold cannot be found leh ........ they probably sold it by the workshop channel. Anyway, all EOs are born the same, to me. I have no problem as I have enough EOs to last till 2014 ....... heeeee...... with a lock-in price of S$28.98. In JB, Tesco, yesterday, I saw a Produa Petronas 5W30 4L. Certified API SL. Selling RM86. Look sexy and attractive as it is made by Petronas. Your PS 3000 5W30 is good EO because Petronas Petrol is OK. If you can get a good price, please share here. New EO always sound good, 1kkm later everything goes back to the usual. The proper way to check EO level is to let the engine run warm. Stop engine, wait for 5 mins. Measure. If level is between Full and Low, you are OK. If your level is way above Full, watch out. Overfill EO cause splashing at the oil pan. Foaming happened and it tend to absorb more water vapour. Will spoil the EO and your EO look milky at the dipstick. This goes on to damage your engine. According to the manual, Carens only need about 4L, 3.9L to be exact. I change EO at 15kkm interval, as per recommendation from the manual. For 50k km service, am very tempeted to select between Amsoil Signature Series 5W20 or X-Gold 5W30 as you are using now. Appreciate to share where I can still buy X-Gold in Singapore ? And my first 100 km experience with Amsoil Signature Series 0W30, I am not experiencing a day-and-night difference which wow wow my feeling at the driver seat, as compared to my previous Petronas Synthium 3000 5W30. The only difference which is noticeable is minized engine noise during idling and constant speed at 80 km/h ~ 90 km/h. And during pick up from Gear 1 changing through all the gears, the rushing sound of the engine is still heard as usual and perhaps only very slightly softer. I would say, would need to wait till longer KM covered before making a conclusion, because even a new Petronas Synthium 5W30 would probably provide the same feel when EO is new. One thing to take note though, the technician who performed the service poured in 1 gallon (=4 quarts = 3.784 L) of Amsoil Signature Series 0W30 into Carens and he said dipstick showed that it was not yet FULL. And it is important to come to full because once engine is started, some oil will fill the EO-Filter, and it will make EO lower further. So I allowed him to open up another 1 quart (946mL) bottle and he poured slightly more into the engine. Oh dear...I think he has poursed ~300mL into it until I stopped him ! Then at home I was checking the dipstick and it showed the level is higher than FULL. I think the more EO added will make the ride heavier because more oil = more friction to engine moving parts too. Wish it will not affect the FC though. And I am reading about this ZF EO Booster from X-Gold, it is a layer of carbon added to the moving surfaces and it reduces friction to almost zero. It improves FC definitely so I am very tempted to try the next oil change. Oh ...... they have been selling in major supermarket here ...... But never heard much review on it. Try MotorUp ...... cheaper..... I use Waxco Engine Treatment RM15.90 @ Tesco. [/quote]
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Post by lionelstep on Sept 18, 2012 1:18:37 GMT 8
Is underfill ok (meaning between FULL and LOW) ? I am regret that I should not allow him to fill from the 1 quart bottle. How to make the EO evaporates faster to make the level go down? And PS 3000 5W30 is not sold to the public, it is at RM209 for 4L and only sold at Service Centre during servicing. X-Gold cannot be found leh ........ they probably sold it by the workshop channel. Anyway, all EOs are born the same, to me. I have no problem as I have enough EOs to last till 2014 ....... heeeee...... with a lock-in price of S$28.98. In JB, Tesco, yesterday, I saw a Produa Petronas 5W30 4L. Certified API SL. Selling RM86. Look sexy and attractive as it is made by Petronas. Your PS 3000 5W30 is good EO because Petronas Petrol is OK. If you can get a good price, please share here. New EO always sound good, 1kkm later everything goes back to the usual. The proper way to check EO level is to let the engine run warm. Stop engine, wait for 5 mins. Measure. If level is between Full and Low, you are OK. If your level is way above Full, watch out. Overfill EO cause splashing at the oil pan. Foaming happened and it tend to absorb more water vapour. Will spoil the EO and your EO look milky at the dipstick. This goes on to damage your engine. According to the manual, Carens only need about 4L, 3.9L to be exact. I change EO at 15kkm interval, as per recommendation from the manual. For 50k km service, am very tempeted to select between Amsoil Signature Series 5W20 or X-Gold 5W30 as you are using now. Appreciate to share where I can still buy X-Gold in Singapore ? And my first 100 km experience with Amsoil Signature Series 0W30, I am not experiencing a day-and-night difference which wow wow my feeling at the driver seat, as compared to my previous Petronas Synthium 3000 5W30. The only difference which is noticeable is minized engine noise during idling and constant speed at 80 km/h ~ 90 km/h. And during pick up from Gear 1 changing through all the gears, the rushing sound of the engine is still heard as usual and perhaps only very slightly softer. I would say, would need to wait till longer KM covered before making a conclusion, because even a new Petronas Synthium 5W30 would probably provide the same feel when EO is new. One thing to take note though, the technician who performed the service poured in 1 gallon (=4 quarts = 3.784 L) of Amsoil Signature Series 0W30 into Carens and he said dipstick showed that it was not yet FULL. And it is important to come to full because once engine is started, some oil will fill the EO-Filter, and it will make EO lower further. So I allowed him to open up another 1 quart (946mL) bottle and he poured slightly more into the engine. Oh dear...I think he has poursed ~300mL into it until I stopped him ! Then at home I was checking the dipstick and it showed the level is higher than FULL. I think the more EO added will make the ride heavier because more oil = more friction to engine moving parts too. Wish it will not affect the FC though. And I am reading about this ZF EO Booster from X-Gold, it is a layer of carbon added to the moving surfaces and it reduces friction to almost zero. It improves FC definitely so I am very tempted to try the next oil change. [/quote]
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Post by appletree on Sept 18, 2012 17:44:05 GMT 8
Underfill means below L. If it is between L & F ....OK. You mean overfill ...... you can actually go back to the work shop, they have a vacuum pump to suck out the EO from the dipstick. Alternatively, try this : ...... a very very slow process. sgkiaclub.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Carensgeneral&action=display&thread=25079Is underfill ok (meaning between FULL and LOW) ? I am regret that I should not allow him to fill from the 1 quart bottle. How to make the EO evaporates faster to make the level go down? And PS 3000 5W30 is not sold to the public, it is at RM209 for 4L and only sold at Service Centre during servicing. X-Gold cannot be found leh ........ they probably sold it by the workshop channel. Anyway, all EOs are born the same, to me. I have no problem as I have enough EOs to last till 2014 ....... heeeee...... with a lock-in price of S$28.98. In JB, Tesco, yesterday, I saw a Produa Petronas 5W30 4L. Certified API SL. Selling RM86. Look sexy and attractive as it is made by Petronas. Your PS 3000 5W30 is good EO because Petronas Petrol is OK. If you can get a good price, please share here. New EO always sound good, 1kkm later everything goes back to the usual. The proper way to check EO level is to let the engine run warm. Stop engine, wait for 5 mins. Measure. If level is between Full and Low, you are OK. If your level is way above Full, watch out. Overfill EO cause splashing at the oil pan. Foaming happened and it tend to absorb more water vapour. Will spoil the EO and your EO look milky at the dipstick. This goes on to damage your engine. According to the manual, Carens only need about 4L, 3.9L to be exact. I change EO at 15kkm interval, as per recommendation from the manual. [/quote]
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Post by lionelstep on Sept 19, 2012 20:14:49 GMT 8
Bro Appletree, anyway, I let it be lah. The overfill portion is not seriously overdoing . And after being inspired by your "locked-in price" of EO until 2014, I too had made an extraordinary decision today. I bought 3 gallons (i.e. 3 bottles) of Amsoil 0W20 (non signature series). Each bottle (gallon) at SGD 57.50 And hence, it is a locked-in price of SGD 57.50 too until Year 2014. I might need to monitor the Engine Oil level of this 0W20 after my current 0W30 is due to change later. Underfill means below L. If it is between L & F ....OK. You mean overfill ...... you can actually go back to the work shop, they have a vacuum pump to suck out the EO from the dipstick. Alternatively, try this : ...... a very very slow process. sgkiaclub.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Carensgeneral&action=display&thread=25079Is underfill ok (meaning between FULL and LOW) ? I am regret that I should not allow him to fill from the 1 quart bottle. How to make the EO evaporates faster to make the level go down? And PS 3000 5W30 is not sold to the public, it is at RM209 for 4L and only sold at Service Centre during servicing. [/quote]
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Post by lionelstep on Sept 23, 2012 23:52:46 GMT 8
Now I am clear.... I read the remaining in the bottle, and I realized the mechanic had overfilled 384mL (0.384 L) Engine Oil. I read car manual, it says EO volume is 3.9L. So, it means the mechanics overfill 10% extra. Asking opinion here, will the extra 10% make any difference in FC ? I felt throttle is heavy, and it does not seems to be the feel of "just-serviced!". So, will the 10% extra EO makes such heavy throttle feeling ? If it is true does make throttle feel heavy, I shall ask the Service Centre to remove extra EO out. Underfill means below L. If it is between L & F ....OK. You mean overfill ...... you can actually go back to the work shop, they have a vacuum pump to suck out the EO from the dipstick. Alternatively, try this : ...... a very very slow process. sgkiaclub.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Carensgeneral&action=display&thread=25079Is underfill ok (meaning between FULL and LOW) ? I am regret that I should not allow him to fill from the 1 quart bottle. How to make the EO evaporates faster to make the level go down? And PS 3000 5W30 is not sold to the public, it is at RM209 for 4L and only sold at Service Centre during servicing. [/quote]
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Post by sfrtuscani on Sept 24, 2012 13:12:19 GMT 8
Yup, just like kena drown out of breath... Please do not exceed the max marking
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Post by lionelstep on Sept 24, 2012 19:45:07 GMT 8
Thank you for input ! YES, I will get Service Centre to remove (vacuum) 0.38L of Engine Oil from engine oil pan this weekend. The question is, how accurate they can remove it. And appreciate to read from your Carens car manual, what does it say about the Engine Oil (litres) used by our Theta I engine ? My car manual says 3.9L Yup, just like kena drown out of breath... Please do not exceed the max marking
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Post by sfrtuscani on Sept 25, 2012 12:51:40 GMT 8
3.9L is correct......
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Post by lionelstep on Sept 25, 2012 21:19:13 GMT 8
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Post by appletree on Sept 25, 2012 23:06:58 GMT 8
Better hurry ....... before your EO turn white......
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Post by lionelstep on Sept 25, 2012 23:10:24 GMT 8
Oh dear....EO turns white ?? You mean, due to air bubbles ? Better hurry ....... before your EO turn white......
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Post by appletree on Sept 26, 2012 0:19:11 GMT 8
Due to water vapour from the combustion. Oh dear....EO turns white ?? You mean, due to air bubbles ? Better hurry ....... before your EO turn white......
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Post by lionelstep on Sept 26, 2012 0:36:29 GMT 8
By the time I shall be at SC and removing the extra 0.39L of EO, the ride would have covered closed to 670km and hopefully nothing bad will happen. Thanks for advice. And more importantly I wish I would experience a completely different feel, LIGHT THROTTLE and CARENS just gush off! after removing 0.39L of EO.... Due to water vapour from the combustion. Oh dear....EO turns white ?? You mean, due to air bubbles ?
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Post by lionelstep on Sept 28, 2012 11:03:57 GMT 8
Yes. the workshop was indeed vacuuming the extra EO from the dipstick area. And now the EO is now right at the max DOT. Previously it has been partially covering the letter "F".
Now still at the workshop and not yet test drive. Will want to wait till the engine cold enough to have another check on the EO dipstick level. My only wish-list => when I drive out from the workshop later, I hope Carens just gush off with light throttle !
By the way, the EO which was vaccuumed out appeared dark-brown more towards dark, that's after 650km running Carens after service when the over-filling EO happened.
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Post by sfrtuscani on Sept 28, 2012 11:50:38 GMT 8
Hmm...I tried before...if you want light throttle...the oil should be between the max and min
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Post by lionelstep on Sept 28, 2012 14:27:57 GMT 8
Hmm...I tried before...if you want light throttle...the oil should be between the max and min Thanks for tips ! After 3 hours getting Carens cooled down at the Service Centre, EO level at the distick showed about 2mm above maximum DOT. I am not able to interpret what this 2mm extra height above max DOT means in terms of milli-litres of EO to be removed. But when I talked to the mechanics, he said, "then drive to the working bay from your parking spot". I drove for 15 metres from the parking spot to the working bay. Stopped the engine, open bonnet, take out dipstick, guess what........ => the EO level on the dipstick showed HALF DISTANCE between two dots of MINIMUM and MAXIMUM! He said, then we cannot vaccuum anymore because the EO has been circulating in the engine system including oil filter, so the EO level during car in operation is to be honoured and followed. Even when on flat road it appears the EO is slightly 1 mm ~ 2 mm higher, when it comes to UP-HILL DOWN-HILL, the EO level would be fluctuating, so we need to give provisions for such non-level situation. So now, I am monitoring the situation, getting spouse to drive longer distance and get all EO fully flowing to all the required engine system and will monitor the actual EO height later. And of course, will try to feel if throttle will be light
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Post by coldneo on Apr 15, 2013 0:43:27 GMT 8
Hi bro for new carens 2.0 2007 model, at half tank topup to full brim how many liters and distance can get? Need this info badly. Im surveying for mpv cars now. Appreciate bros who can answer.
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Post by appletree on Apr 15, 2013 9:21:35 GMT 8
Hi bro, The fuel tank is 55 litre, to the brim is 60litre. I just summarized a bit on the FC experience here. As low as 7km/L to as high as 9.5km/L. For me, weekend (Fri~Sun) = 8 ~ 8.5km/L Weekday (Mon~Fri) = 8.9~9.2km/L (HY w/o aircon) NSH can achieved 12km/L from SIN~Malacca. If you are very particular about FC then Carens is probably not the choice car. It is 200kg heavier than Stream. But it is a very robust car that can carry more weight than Wish and Stream. Hi bro for new carens 2.0 2007 model, at half tank topup to full brim how many liters and distance can get? Need this info badly. Im surveying for mpv cars now. Appreciate bros who can answer.
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Post by JuzChat on Nov 29, 2013 5:35:49 GMT 8
The max FC I hit on Singapore road is around 10.2km/L but that is when my vehicle is less than 3 years old with extreme regular servicing at C&C. Average around 9.2km/L. Anyway as our ride is 2.0L and much heavier than Japanese made cars. This is already not bad. If you wants to consider only FC, go with Vios (family car) or Wish (MPV) but don't speed. Hi bro for new carens 2.0 2007 model, at half tank topup to full brim how many liters and distance can get? Need this info badly. Im surveying for mpv cars now. Appreciate bros who can answer.
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Post by JuzChat on Nov 29, 2013 5:37:11 GMT 8
Weight and being sturdy on the highway is never friendly to FC. They are enemies.
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Post by Lemon-Engine on Dec 13, 2013 8:49:50 GMT 8
Weight and being sturdy on the highway is never friendly to FC. They are enemies. Can't agree more on that!
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Post by lionelstep on Aug 25, 2014 23:37:11 GMT 8
My Kia Rondo (Kia "Carens" in Malaysia) has covered ~71,750 km so far.
50k ~ 60k km => Engine Oil with 0W20 Amsoil Signature Series. 60k ~ 70k km => Engine Oil with 0W20 Amsoil Signature Series. And just the recent service at ~ 70k km, 0W20 Amsoil Signature Series engine oil was again poured in.
For the past weekend (23rd August ~ 24th August 2014), I have covered 129 km with myself alone covering about ~75% of the journey with the following conditions : i. without air cond (both front windows screened down during driving), ii. very light throttle during pick up when traffic light turned from RED to GREEN for example, iii. keeping to economy driving speed ~80~90 km/h as much as possible, and iv. in order to do so, I chose much longer route without many traffic lights to reach destinations.
The balance 25% of the journey I drove with families members on board so I needed to turn on air cond.
At the end of 129 km covered, when I refueled all the way to the brim, FC calculated = 13.772 km/L
It shows our Kia Carens has so much potential for good FC if we are really driving with such prudent commitment !
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Post by hsieh on Sept 20, 2014 11:41:29 GMT 8
Would we have the new Carens coming to Singapore anytime soon?
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