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Post by liu on Oct 3, 2008 23:18:10 GMT 8
Plus, not to forget that I can get a better i-VTEC engine, better workmanship, better fuel efficiency, better design like the one on Civic and 2008 Honda Fit, and other factors that sum up a Honda car.
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Post by acefission on Oct 4, 2008 0:03:30 GMT 8
wah... honda or Kia? Problem lah....
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Post by sktan10 on Oct 4, 2008 9:49:00 GMT 8
Plus, not to forget that I can get a better i-VTEC engine, better workmanship, better fuel efficiency, better design like the one on Civic and 2008 Honda Fit, and other factors that sum up a Honda car. My colleage is driving the PI 1.3G 2008 Fit.Brought at 54K.His FC best was 16km/l without air-con on & 14inch rim.Normal driving is around 13-15km/l.So to me is not that great afterall but i like the exterior design. Trust me,the workmanship is not that great. In fact,some of my colleage who drive axio & latio comment the interior look cheapo. My colleages driving civicFD,2008fit,kah motor stream,odyssey,euro-R & one more air-wave coming soon.Civic,stream & fit interior quality is so-so only not better than other jap or korea band.The only good interior quality i see is odyssey but of cos price also good.To me even euro-R also no flight.
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Post by sktan10 on Oct 4, 2008 14:07:46 GMT 8
I have miscalculated the % of the depreciation. The Honda Fit was $55800 at that time and the resale value of Honda Fit, at the same lifespan, is around $43800. So to sum it up, the depreciation rate is 21.5%. If do not hestitate in correcting my calculation as I am not good in maths. Take my verna 1.6M as example. New verna 45k.New fit 55.8k. U save 10.8k upfront. 1.8 yr later,verna sell to dealer 33k.(dealer sell in sgcarmart 36k) 1.5 yr later,fit sell to dealer 41k,i assumed(should be lesser)(dealer sell 43.8k in car mart) Difference between fit & verna second hand value is 41k-33k=8k. Take the 10.8k saving minus 8k,u still save 2.8k exclude interests.Also not too bad as what u say. Some more 1.6m verna is more powerful than fit.
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Post by liu on Oct 4, 2008 14:40:14 GMT 8
I have miscalculated the % of the depreciation. The Honda Fit was $55800 at that time and the resale value of Honda Fit, at the same lifespan, is around $43800. So to sum it up, the depreciation rate is 21.5%. If do not hestitate in correcting my calculation as I am not good in maths. Take my verna 1.6M as example. New verna 45k.New fit 55.8k. U save 10.8k upfront. 1.8 yr later,verna sell to dealer 33k.(dealer sell in sgcarmart 36k) 1.5 yr later,fit sell to dealer 41k,i assumed(should be lesser)(dealer sell 43.8k in car mart) Difference between fit & verna second hand value is 41k-33k=8k. Take the 10.8k saving minus 8k,u still save 2.8k exclude interests.Also not too bad as what u say. Some more 1.6m verna is more powerful than fit. 2.8k is really nothing to me. 1.6 Verna can do a century sprint in 12.0s. While the 1.3 Fit can reach the 100km/h in 10.5s, so which is more faster and powerful? In case you don't know, Hyundai Verna 1.4's fuel consumption is 10km/l while the Fit is 15km - 16km/l. All are tested on light foot and with air-con on. Particularly the interior quality is plasticky feel on the Fit because of hard plastic material being used. However, I am referring to the workmanship done on the i-VTEC engine, structural joints, suspension, doors, and other critical points, not the material that is used to manufacture the interior of the car.
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Post by sktan10 on Oct 4, 2008 16:34:17 GMT 8
Take my verna 1.6M as example. New verna 45k.New fit 55.8k. U save 10.8k upfront. 1.8 yr later,verna sell to dealer 33k.(dealer sell in sgcarmart 36k) 1.5 yr later,fit sell to dealer 41k,i assumed(should be lesser)(dealer sell 43.8k in car mart) Difference between fit & verna second hand value is 41k-33k=8k. Take the 10.8k saving minus 8k,u still save 2.8k exclude interests.Also not too bad as what u say. Some more 1.6m verna is more powerful than fit. 2.8k is really nothing to me. 1.6 Verna can do a century sprint in 12.0s. While the 1.3 Fit can reach the 100km/h in 10.5s, so which is more faster and powerful? In case you don't know, Hyundai Verna 1.4's fuel consumption is 10km/l while the Fit is 15km - 16km/l. All are tested on light foot and with air-con on. Particularly the interior quality is plasticky feel on the Fit because of hard plastic material being used. However, I am referring to the workmanship done on the i-VTEC engine, structural joints, suspension, doors, and other critical points, not the material that is used to manufacture the interior of the car. Only the 1.3cc fit able to hit 15-16km/l. And the price u quote is a 2007 second hand 1.3Y i-dsi model.0-100km is 11.7sec.Top speed 160km/hr.Unless u talk about 1.5cc fit,then price,FC will be different & depreciation will also be different. The 1.6m CivicFD 0-100km is 10.3sec.Top speed 195km/hr. The 1.6m verna 0-100km is 10.2sec.But butt feel is faster than that.Top speed is 190km/h.Read the spec properly.The getz 1.6m 0-100km is even faster at 9.6sec.Top speed is also 190km/hr. Verna 1.6m FC easily 12.5km/l & above if anyhow whack with air-con 100% on & 15inch RM rims. But korean car except avante(happen my colleage also own one)try not to buy auto.For auto car,FC is not as good as jap car.This i really agree with u.I heard the 1.4A FC is worst than the 1.6A. Since 2.8k is nothing to u,then u should not worry too much on depreciation.Singapore buy car is like that-buy cheap sell cheap,buy expensive sell expensive.I also ever own jap car before.After a few round of buy & sell,u will have experience. Most of my colleages also like u,honda supporter,haha! But me not into brand.Any reasonable good car around,i m ready to give it a try.If u look for honda & want to know the real FC or SE,maybe i can help u since most of the honda cars are already own by my colleage except city,crv,freed & crossroad.Dont talk about sport car,haha!
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Post by liu on Oct 4, 2008 16:46:01 GMT 8
>> Only the 1.3cc fit able to hit 15-16km/l. And the price u quote is a 2007 second hand 1.3Y i-dsi model.0-100km is 11.7sec.Top speed 160km/hr.Unless u talk about 1.5cc fit,then price,FC will be different & depreciation will also be different.
--> Dude, the quoted price is for the 2007 Honda Jazz 1.3 from Kah Motors, not second-hand. That price is also applicable to the 2008 Honda Fit (PI). The 2007 1.3 can reap 14.5km/l as tested by Singapore Climate Change Committee (you can change their website for details on various car fuel consumption). The 2008 1.3 Fit can reap an average of 15 - 16km/l as tested by many drivers in Singapore and Honda makers themselves.
I am not interested in Civic since I am doing a comparison in the depreciation rate between Verna and Fit.
>> The 1.6m verna 0-100km is 10.2sec.
--> I am referring to the 1.6 A, 12.0sec tested by editors of the Carbuyer.com.sg
By the way, Komoco no longer sells the 1.6 A and M Getz.
It is not because it is auto or what. It is due to the conventional engine used in the 1.4 version. Conventional engine are much worse than CVVT engine found in the 1.6.
>> Most of my colleages also like u,honda supporter,haha!
--> Thank you. I am not a Honda supporter but rather a person who emphasizes on practical uses and best value, be it Toyota, Honda, Kia, Hyundai, Mitsubishi or BMW. If the new Kia Forte can prove otherwise, I will go for it. Mitsubishi Lancer EX is also a good car.
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Post by sktan10 on Oct 4, 2008 17:05:43 GMT 8
It is not because it is auto or what. It is due to the conventional engine used in the 1.4 version. Conventional engine are much worse than CVVT engine found in the 1.6.
The 1.6m getz is using dohc engine as the 1.4m or 1.4a verna.Only 1.6 verna with cvvt. The 1.6m getz is good in FC as my SE is driving. The 1.4m verna is also good in FC.Go to clubhyundai u will know. It is the auto gearbox that is not so efficiency. The web site u post i been before two yrs back. They stated sonata FC is better than camry if i rem correctlly.Can u believe?
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Post by liu on Oct 4, 2008 19:07:43 GMT 8
It is not because it is auto or what. It is due to the conventional engine used in the 1.4 version. Conventional engine are much worse than CVVT engine found in the 1.6. The 1.6m getz is using dohc engine as the 1.4m or 1.4a verna.Only 1.6 verna with cvvt. The 1.6m in FCgetz is good in FC as my SE is driving. The 1.4m verna is also good .Go to clubhyundai u will know. It is the auto gearbox that is not so efficiency. The web site u post i been before two yrs back. They stated sonata FC is better than camry if i rem correctlly.Can u believe? I can believe that Sonata's fuel consumption is better than Camry provided it is lighter than the latter. Weight is an important factor in the fuel consumption. CVT gearbox. The Twin SST gearbox is even better and more fuel efficient than the manual.
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Post by sktan10 on Oct 4, 2008 21:47:32 GMT 8
It is not because it is auto or what. It is due to the conventional engine used in the 1.4 version. Conventional engine are much worse than CVVT engine found in the 1.6. The 1.6m getz is using dohc engine as the 1.4m or 1.4a verna.Only 1.6 verna with cvvt. The 1.6m in FCgetz is good in FC as my SE is driving. The 1.4m verna is also good .Go to clubhyundai u will know. It is the auto gearbox that is not so efficiency. The web site u post i been before two yrs back. They stated sonata FC is better than camry if i rem correctlly.Can u believe? I can believe that Sonata's fuel consumption is better than Camry provided it is lighter than the latter. Weight is an important factor in the fuel consumption. CVT gearbox. The Twin SST gearbox is even better and more fuel efficient than the manual. I feel sorry for monsterdog.Hijack his treads for so long. Anyway for your infro-Camry weight 1930kg(curb weight 1475kg).Sonata weight 2030kg(curb weight 1627kg) Data taken from oneshift. So sonata is more heavy.
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Post by liu on Oct 4, 2008 22:25:23 GMT 8
I have heard about the fuel consumption between Sonata and Camry, it has been drummed up several times on Youtube. But I did not conduct any research on that.
You can check out the SCCC website for the details or check Oneshift but be informed that the fuel consumption statistics there are not really accurate.
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Post by liu on Oct 4, 2008 22:34:46 GMT 8
I guess it is time we should end this discussion and hand it back to the tread starter. Thank you for your contribution.
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Post by Monsterdog on Oct 5, 2008 13:42:25 GMT 8
Bros, it's a very interesting discussion u guys have there. Thanks for the info too!
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Post by CobaltPica on Nov 11, 2008 21:20:35 GMT 8
I have been comtemplating to buy the Honda Jazz FL or City VTEC after i letting go of my old Picanto (esp the City).
Same like bro Emperor Fit, back of my mind i kept thinking, "hmm.. i'm tired of a Korean car, must buy a Honda. Honda good, got I-VTEC, got good FC, got everything good becoz its the Power Of Dreams." Why not? I can afford it, its not too expensive to feed and well.. its Honda! What can go wrong? Correct?!!
So i go for test drives, go register a nick in SHC and even got ready to sign on the dotted line. I had even chosen the colour! Okie, steady.. so i thought,just need to inform the lady boss lah for permission sake. And one fine evening, i talked to her, brochures and pricelists in hand, beaming ear to ear and poured my well-rehearsed-best-Honda-salesman's sales talk to my CFO. She agrees abit with a bit of perception but on a condition. She wanted to personally sit in the car for a test drive and wanted to look at the figures all over again.
So the next day, i brought her over to Ubi Kah Motors. We sat in the new City and Jazz. We fiddled the knobs, the seats, the doors,the engine cover, the boot covers, everything. She keeps quiet but her face shows some dissatisfaction. When asked whats wrong, she just commented " they looks and feels so cheap"
So i tell myself, ah..damn, first stage failed liao. Still okie, got the test drive. But it doesn't help that the sales folks in Ubi are damn rude and i had quite a hard time asking for a testdrive. (mi typical la.. shorts, slippers and tee shirts so think they look mi no up lah).
On the road, with the VC behind, i tried my best to drive slowly and carefully ( i already lup the damn car a few times prior to this). Still she commented " behind is not comfortable, so cramped and bouncy" Round two, and still OUT! Though she really likes the FD Civic lah!
Crestfallen, we turn left out from kah motor and we passed by Komoco on the way. I thought, what the heck, signalled left and turned into Komoco.
Inside the showroom, the SE, a gentleman in his 60s served us tea and coffee before giving us the key to the Avante. (Its a demo car, doubling up as a test drive unit) My VC checked the Avante inside out for a full 20minutes before the SE beckoned us for a test drive. I grudgingly took the key and turned the ignition. The Gamma 1.6litre VVT engine fired up instantly and silently. I took it out for a long test drive up Paya Lebar Airbase. The engine is creamy smooth, same goes for the 4 speed autobox. Upon the SE's beckoning, i gave the pedal a good poke and the Avante surged forward. There's no VTEC roar, no drama. Just remembered seeing the redline coming up fast and furious and the speedo swinging past 100kmh. The interior is dead silent like the mercedes commercial.
After all said and done, my VC passed a verdict, the Hyundai Avante is her second choice after the Civic FD. Its simple, it has very comfortable leather seats, high quality soft touch interior panels, perfect fit and finishings and for myself, the powerful engine, independent rear suspensions, 4 wheel disks and digital climate control won me over instantly. I think the SE helps by throwing in a huge long list of freebies (can't mention here, but i got over 8 items costing over 1k). Needless to say, i signed on the dot, making one very happy old man(for my SE) and leaving a big grin on my face for saving 10k over a Honda.
After taking delivery of my Avante, I had drove up to Ipoh and KL. Run it daily for about 50km/day and my FC is hitting 12-13km/litre. After my minor DIY "touch-ups" and ECU tuning, its not a problem to leave a big plume of dust behind for any City and Jazz/Fit or Airwave for that matter that wanna have some fun with me. (Good old Picanto days are back eh???)
Now 1month later, after pouring over the details of both the Hondas and Avante, I', damn glad that i had made a correct decision. Why buy a third rate Honda when you can buy a first rate Hyundai for lesser the money?
I rest my case.
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Post by BluePicanto on Nov 11, 2008 22:19:45 GMT 8
To each its own la. As long as u'r happy with ur ride, tat's it. Coz end of the day u'r paying for it.
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Post by Adam88 on Nov 12, 2008 3:24:01 GMT 8
To each its own la. As long as u'r happy with ur ride, tat's it. Coz end of the day u'r paying for it. to each of its own...... coz u cant force someone to like something juz bcoz u like it...... its been an interesting discussion & im sure bro monsterdog is happy with his new ride (aint i'm rite kev)...... so it depends................
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