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Post by subzero on Aug 21, 2008 10:12:35 GMT 8
Bro, do up ur intake, header and exhaust.. Confirm got gains.. And if u want something more fierce sounding, upgrade to Hurricane Open Pod.. Any improvement gains if I dun wanna touch my exhaust headers but change to a larger diameter exhaust piping to 2' inch instead of original 1.6" inch after the header onwards with an operated muffler? It will be complemented by a open pod C.A.I. as well...Any comments? for any advise and will take each and every seriously based on yr personal experiences! Gains might not be that much cos the cat is very restrictive.. Unless u wanna change or totally "kill" the cat..
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Post by ez_s_abc on Aug 21, 2008 10:27:45 GMT 8
Guys when they say "operate the muffler" ... what does this mean? Besides achieving a low bassy sound and a chance of not passing the inspection, hehehe .... any other benefits.... ? Just asking for knowledge, thanks!
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Post by subzero on Aug 21, 2008 10:52:43 GMT 8
Ouh stock muffler is very restrictive.. So by operating, the internals is changed to provide a better flow.. Some eg; Stock config: Replaced with a straight thru pipe.. Fibre packed to minimise noise.. There are two configurations in aftermarket exhausts.. One is semi-free flow and the other is free flow like the pics above.. What will u benefit? Semi-free flow with result in greater pickup.. Mainly for low to mid end power.. And free flow will improve ur mid to high end.. Source of pics from MCF.
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Post by ez_s_abc on Aug 21, 2008 11:28:56 GMT 8
Thanks.. thanks ... i have a clearer picture.... so by operating to semi-free flow it helps the low-to-mid end power.. which is more or less what i'm looking for.
The next question... i read that once operated on the muffler cannot be reverted back to stock condition ... so in the event that i want to go for inspection but don't want to fail (btw, is there a fine), is there a way around this? Like maybe a total replacement back to a stock muffler... in this case is it possible and roughly how much to is the replacement cost including labour?
Thanks!
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Post by subzero on Aug 21, 2008 18:31:14 GMT 8
Thanks.. thanks ... i have a clearer picture.... so by operating to semi-free flow it helps the low-to-mid end power.. which is more or less what i'm looking for. The next question... i read that once operated on the muffler cannot be reverted back to stock condition ... so in the event that i want to go for inspection but don't want to fail (btw, is there a fine), is there a way around this? Like maybe a total replacement back to a stock muffler... in this case is it possible and roughly how much to is the replacement cost including labour? Thanks! Yes, this process in non reversible.. So once u have commited, there's no turning back.. And there's way of not failing ur inspection.. Either u swap back to original or ask ur regular workshop to send for inspection.. But, with a nominal fee of course..
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Post by psyfool7 on Aug 21, 2008 19:42:58 GMT 8
Guys when they say "operate the muffler" ... what does this mean? Besides achieving a low bassy sound and a chance of not passing the inspection, hehehe .... any other benefits.... ? Just asking for knowledge, thanks! U mean not passing inspection also considered 'benefit'?..
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Post by psyfool7 on Aug 21, 2008 19:45:31 GMT 8
Bonzz...who's muffler is tat in ur 'some eg' pix?...
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Post by ez_s_abc on Aug 21, 2008 20:48:55 GMT 8
Guys when they say "operate the muffler" ... what does this mean? Besides achieving a low bassy sound and a chance of not passing the inspection, hehehe .... any other benefits.... ? Just asking for knowledge, thanks! U mean not passing inspection also considered 'benefit'?.. Goodness no lah that part suppose to be a little humor Anyways called up one of the shops that does the muffler 'ops' and was told that there is a way of passing the inspection, though not fool proof ... However, because i had done the QF... he did say that there will be changes to the 'airflow' or something like that... therefore there is a possibility the benefits that i'm currently enjoying now from the QF may deteriorate a little bit.... To counter this i can consider the unichip or something like that which in terms of $$$$ & sense is a This idea will be shelved hehehe.... ;D
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Post by subzero on Aug 21, 2008 21:40:22 GMT 8
Bonzz...who's muffler is tat in ur 'some eg' pix?... Haha.. Definitely not mine.. From MCF ahh..
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Post by subzero on Aug 21, 2008 21:43:36 GMT 8
U mean not passing inspection also considered 'benefit'?.. Goodness no lah that part suppose to be a little humor Anyways called up one of the shops that does the muffler 'ops' and was told that there is a way of passing the inspection, though not fool proof ... However, because i had done the QF... he did say that there will be changes to the 'airflow' or something like that... therefore there is a possibility the benefits that i'm currently enjoying now from the QF may deteriorate a little bit.... To counter this i can consider the unichip or something like that which in terms of $$$$ & sense is a This idea will be shelved hehehe.... ;D I tot the QF is remappable after u add some mods that messes up ur Air-Fuel ratio? By right u shd mod first before QF-ing..
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Post by LMF on Aug 21, 2008 21:47:18 GMT 8
Bonzz...who's muffler is tat in ur 'some eg' pix?... Haha.. Definitely not mine.. From MCF ahh.. hmm....
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Post by ez_s_abc on Aug 21, 2008 22:01:24 GMT 8
Goodness no lah that part suppose to be a little humor Anyways called up one of the shops that does the muffler 'ops' and was told that there is a way of passing the inspection, though not fool proof ... However, because i had done the QF... he did say that there will be changes to the 'airflow' or something like that... therefore there is a possibility the benefits that i'm currently enjoying now from the QF may deteriorate a little bit.... To counter this i can consider the unichip or something like that which in terms of $$$$ & sense is a This idea will be shelved hehehe.... ;D I tot the QF is remappable after u add some mods that messes up ur Air-Fuel ratio? By right u shd mod first before QF-ing.. actually i suppose to stop adding enhancement after the QF (my one and only add on) ... but ... but like what people said the "poisons" are "addictive" the thirst like cannot quench like that... Then i read past post and tot wah can try this .. maybe can also try that ... then read this muffler thread ... plus this muffler 'ops' not to ex ... ard $200 i think (other place dunno how much) thinking 'sound quality' is there but not to the point that it attracts white ants... so tot maybe can do tomorrow ... called up the shop "skali" he told me abt the above .... then plan have to shelve... hehehe...
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Post by ceratov2m on Aug 21, 2008 23:08:50 GMT 8
Any improvement gains if I dun wanna touch my exhaust headers but change to a larger diameter exhaust piping to 2' inch instead of original 1.6" inch after the header onwards with an operated muffler? It will be complemented by a open pod C.A.I. as well...Any comments? for any advise and will take each and every seriously based on yr personal experiences! heard dat chnge 2inch pipe might suffer a little loss in low end torque thgh high end wuld gain... hmm operated muffler... bcareful dat some shop dnt put in cheapo high temp wool as dat kind aftr a few mths will get quite noisy... ehh u not worried bout inspection ahz??? muffler once operated cant revert 2 stock u knw... Well,I'm juz gettin feedback to see if I wanna do it or not. As long as inspection centre not run by LTA, I don't forsee any problems in passing inspection which will be at least 3 years from now. for yr valuable input!
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Post by ceratov2m on Aug 21, 2008 23:14:44 GMT 8
Any improvement gains if I dun wanna touch my exhaust headers but change to a larger diameter exhaust piping to 2' inch instead of original 1.6" inch after the header onwards with an operated muffler? It will be complemented by a open pod C.A.I. as well...Any comments? for any advise and will take each and every seriously based on yr personal experiences! Gains might not be that much cos the cat is very restrictive.. Unless u wanna change or totally "kill" the cat.. Hmm..the cat Would a dummy cat be loud to attract the ants unwanted attention? for yr valuable advice! Hw about if eng check light would on if orig cat would to be operated upon?Appreciate it very much!
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Post by yanuk on Aug 21, 2008 23:32:53 GMT 8
i only planning to start doing only in late Oct or early Nov lor cos my bonus coming in only then... guess have to give this GB QF a miss this time... btw my MT cerato when on gear 1 jerks quite badly... like got hydraulics like tat zzz... so usually i change to gear 2 pretty fast... does any1 has the same issue?? well a car dancin in 1st gear for MT is sumtimes due to poor clutch control... either dat or rpm 2 low den goin 2 stall so sure a bit jerky... neway all MT car naturally not dat smooth in 1st gear... @least u dnt ve my problm... 4 me whn i engage 1st gear n let it cruise @idle wifout steppin on e gas... aftr a whle e engine chek light comes on n starts flashin like a signal light... went 2 C&C complain but ey culdnt find any fault... use a OBD scanner to extract the error code.
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Post by psyfool7 on Aug 22, 2008 8:39:28 GMT 8
Gains might not be that much cos the cat is very restrictive.. Unless u wanna change or totally "kill" the cat.. Hmm..the cat Would a dummy cat be loud to attract the ants unwanted attention? for yr valuable advice! Hw about if eng check light would on if orig cat would to be operated upon?Appreciate it very much! I tink the purpose of the cat is to burn off any excess..for environment purpose..so without cat, I heard the exos smell will be 'smelly' and at the exos tip side, ur bumper will turn black with soot..especially for light colored cars..these are tell tale signs of a cat-less system....tat's wat pple tell me anyway...
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Post by pumpkyn on Aug 22, 2008 8:46:15 GMT 8
It's the most direct way to up ur ride's performance w/o touching on other thing oso wont affected FC. Yes it will effect!!! become beter... cos on an engineering point of view... with beter combustion u will get beter fuel economy... bt must keep in view ur power to weight ratio...
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Post by BluePicanto on Aug 22, 2008 20:03:44 GMT 8
I tot the QF is remappable after u add some mods that messes up ur Air-Fuel ratio? By right u shd mod first before QF-ing.. actually i suppose to stop adding enhancement after the QF (my one and only add on) ... but ... but like what people said the "poisons" are "addictive" the thirst like cannot quench like that... Then i read past post and tot wah can try this .. maybe can also try that ... then read this muffler thread ... plus this muffler 'ops' not to ex ... ard $200 i think (other place dunno how much) thinking 'sound quality' is there but not to the point that it attracts white ants... so tot maybe can do tomorrow ... called up the shop "skali" he told me abt the above .... then plan have to shelve... hehehe... Actually by operating the muffler wont have much affected ur QF as tat's the output of ur combusion air. Unless u change the whole exos then might need further retune the ECU. If u'r really into it, i'll recomm u porting & polisht ur engine block + full exos mod, then go for the FDL (juz top the diff only). Comfirm will feel better.
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Post by ez_s_abc on Aug 22, 2008 21:37:45 GMT 8
But everytime i get behind the wheel i'll be looking over my shoulder... 'white ants' , 'white ants' maybe lurking in the shadow hehehe..... No lah ... just tot this mod not too costly ... and can have that 'bassy sound effect' but now not too keen-lah ... i emailed Joey and he said that not much negative effect from this mod to the gains enjoyed from the QF, just like wat you said. He said if any, there might be a slight loss and gains at the low and high end respectively. So will see how cause for the QF it did improve the low end part which was what i was aiming for and i don't really want to lose the benefits from that area ... think i will just replace my tires instead... so many tire models to choose from so still thinking what to get
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Post by joao on Aug 22, 2008 21:59:37 GMT 8
I heard 'operation' on the exo quite hard to detect 1 rite? unless they open up during the inspection? but anyway the safe way is to pay ur workshop some money for them to send for inspection la... tats really a good way when u know u gonna fail inspection on ur own..
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Post by acefission on Aug 22, 2008 23:03:52 GMT 8
Yeah true! Pay some $$$ to protect ur investment.
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Post by MindBox33 on Aug 23, 2008 7:28:54 GMT 8
I heard 'operation' on the exo quite hard to detect 1 rite? unless they open up during the inspection? but anyway the safe way is to pay ur workshop some money for them to send for inspection la... tats really a good way when u know u gonna fail inspection on ur own.. sensitive topic i think alot of drivers in sg will lose these type of 'benefit' very soon.. coz if any LTA officers or white antZ bros see this posting...n alerted LTA....expose these acts...n take over the inspection ctr...who will suffer in the end.... can anyone 'invisible' such related statement above? no offense anyone...sorry if i did...but y lose this 'benefit' if some things can be left unsaid in open conversation...
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Post by yanuk on Aug 23, 2008 9:49:16 GMT 8
you really think they don't know of such things happening? The situation might not be out of control yet so no actions taken. Must wait for something big happen then splash all over front page of ST then you see major clean up operation. Even after all the raids and actions taken, it will still be around because you can never have a 100% 'clean' nation, if it happens, our blue or white guys will have no jobs liao!
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Post by MindBox33 on Aug 23, 2008 13:18:02 GMT 8
of course, i dun expect all of us to be 'angel' n all to be stock cars.. but pls 'respect' abit for these authorities lol... remember the driver who was jailed for fuel thingy lately... they know it all along but please respect them n be discreet lah..... but if we felt that we can b so proud of this loophole... well...okok..then lets keep this topic flowing.... anyone can share wic workshop can do this benefits? who to contact? how much? procedure? any guaranteed? wat mod can they do? wat they will do if really cun pass even they send for us?
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Post by psyfool7 on Aug 23, 2008 14:17:49 GMT 8
Been going on for ages oready..open secret..tink not even a secret...but honestly, not very sure how the workshops go abt doing it...
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